2021 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

So since he opted out. What does everyone think a Bobby Portis deal looks like after his Finals performance? Obviously he only helped himself with that one, but how much so did it help?

I would say at least the full MLE somewhere. Dude was a double-double threat, knocking down 3s, and playing solid small 5 defense. I could see a 13-15 number.

[Master Live 013]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

30M a year for his seasons at 36, 37 and 38. Yet, Suns ain't that strong of a franchise to not sign him.







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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Yeah suns basically had to sign him. But Idk if they are good enough to get back or what his gas tank is like. He’s getting pretty banged up as is.

Suns were truly special for most of the payoffs, but they kinda felt like a team that stuff was just sorta clicking at the perfect time.

Hopefully those young guys take yet another leap forward.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Why would the Bulls not want to sign Lauri though? Even if he isn't in their long term plans it would make no sense to lose a player like him for nothing. They can S&T him now, trade him at the deadline, trade him next off-season, but the guy has potential and if somebody is willing to offer him more now that means he has enough interest for the Bulls to not let him just walk.

How often do teams even let 23 year olds with career 16 and 7 numbers leave for nothing, especially just coming off his best shooting year which was not far off from the 50/40/90 club. Dude was 19 and 9 the lone year he played 30+ minutes.

And say they do what you said where they just renounce everyone for space, their starting 4 is Aminu now? With no back up center, no back up 4, like what is their game plan if they let him and everyone walk to chase a B level point guard?






But there has also been discussions revolving around Lowry, Dinwiddie, DeRozan, Schroder, John Collins, etc and Schroder is the one you dislike.

Obviously the player has to be willing to go to the team, but spotrac is predicting 7 teams to have the cap space to sign him outright. New York which is the most obvious leave for nothing destination I'm assuming he's option E of F for them though, Spurs which doesn't feel like a fit, Dallas but that's assuming the don't keep THJ which they claim they are and moved money to do so, back to OKC which seems unlikely, Raptors but that's assuming Lowry is leaving for nothing and they don't make their own S&T move, Grizzlies which is a no, and Miami which would likely include not picking up options for Dragic and Iggy, and/or renouncing rights to guys like Oladipo, Ariza, Bjelica. They might be in play if they don't chase a bigger grab instead.

Nobody is pretending he doesn't have a say, or that those moves are anything deeper than hypotheticals. But this idea that loads of teams can afford him, or even want to afford him after him wanting that type of money also isn't true. It takes massive wiggle room to clear space and most teams don't do it for a non star. Not every team interested in a guy like Schroder is going to want to renounce the rights to half their roster and lost 3-4 rotation pieces to get him.

Let me stop you right here. There's no point in us going back and forth arguing over something this stupid. Especially when you're accusing me of something that you yourself are doing. I didn't say there were loads of teams that can afford him, I said the teams most linked to him and specifically named the Knicks and Bulls.

So to get away from that silliness. Please don't sit here and throw stats at me about Lauri when you're not watching Bulls games. I've said before Lauri in his 4 years here has been given every opportunity to succeed and he's been every role on the team. Just a guy, THE GUY, second option, third option. He flashed one year, the year where you said he got 30+ minutes as if it massively eclipsed the time he's been getting his whole career. He averaged 29.7 minutes his rookie year. Then the 32.3 you spoke of. Then 29.8 and finally 25.8

Some of that last year was due to injury but the majority of it was due to the fact that Lauri consistently disappeared and faded into the background of the game. He lost minutes because of his inconsistency. After coming back from injury in March Lauri scored 20 or more just 4 times in the 37 games he played to finish the season. He scored less than 15 points in 25 games and scored 10 or less in 17 of those games. Factor in that Lauri is a GarPax pick and not Arturas' and it's clear why they wouldn't have a problem getting rid of him. This team cannot afford to be overpaying Lauri for production they may never get. If he goes elsewhere and hits I'm completely fine with that because what he's been here since flashing briefly has been disappointing to say the least.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

I mean I’ve watched the Bulls, not as much as you obviously, but we both agreed in the other thread that he would have value similar to Kuzma who was part of a Westbrook trade and a centerpiece to a Hield and DeRozan trade. You wouldn’t want to get some kind of return out if that?


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[JazzMan]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Conley expected to return to the Jazz at 3 years $60M

That feels like pretty good value

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

I mean I’ve watched the Bulls, not as much as you obviously, but we both agreed in the other thread that he would have value similar to Kuzma who was part of a Westbrook trade and a centerpiece to a Hield and DeRozan trade. You wouldn’t want to get some kind of return out if that?


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Where you getting the idea that I don’t want to get something in return for Lauri tho? He’s a RFA so a S&T is on the table. Just cause I’m fine with him walking if it comes to that doesn’t mean my preference is him walking.


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

So since he opted out. What does everyone think a Bobby Portis deal looks like after his Finals performance? Obviously he only helped himself with that one, but how much so did it help?

It’s hard for me to envision a team offering more than the MLE for him just due to how few teams have cap space, and those that do will likely be spending it on someone else.

I think there’s at least a chance he ends up back in Milwaukee for the taxpayer MLE but he’d likely be leaving some money on the table if he does that. Certainly not my expectation but I wouldn’t be shocked if it happened.


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[jeebs9]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

King do you like Lonzo Ball pick up?

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421845529034727426?s=19

Turn on up tempo.

https://twitter.com/SamuelStands/status/1421834868074373120?s=19

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

https://twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1421850883273416705?s=21

On free agency eve, there is tangible pessimism from multiple teams interested in Bobby Portis that they can sign him away from the Bucks.

Despite limited flexibility to re-sign Portis, Milwaukee is favored to retain the popular forward


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[King_B_Mack]

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King do you like Lonzo Ball pick up?

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1421845529034727426?s=19

Turn on up tempo.

https://twitter.com/SamuelStands/sta...074373120?s=19

Originally I wanted no part of Lonzo, but the idea has grown on me over the course of the season and I was bummed when we couldn’t work out a deal for him at the deadline as they were working on. I think I saw somewhere that he’s been working on his shooting this offseason as well and there will be improvement there going into the season so I’m on board with it. Top priority of the offseason for the Bulls for me and as I understand it, for them as well.


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[jfsolo]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

https://twitter.com/thesteinline/sta...273416705?s=21

On free agency eve, there is tangible pessimism from multiple teams interested in Bobby Portis that they can sign him away from the Bucks.

Despite limited flexibility to re-sign Portis, Milwaukee is favored to retain the popular forward


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To me every player should do what makes them happy, full stop. It would be pretty extraordinary though for player his age, who hasn't had the big payday, to probably turn down what could be 2 to 3 times what he will get from someone else to stay there. That would be an incredible win for the Bucks organization IMO.

[The Chef]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Read a report that Toronto and Portland have talked about a Siakam for McCollum swap, not sure what to think of it due to limited knowledge of what Siakam brings to the table defensively.

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[JazzMan]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Read a report that Toronto and Portland have talked about a Siakam for McCollum swap, not sure what to think of it due to limited knowledge of what Siakam brings to the table defensively.

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Portland needs to do this yesterday. Siakam is a huge upgrade defensively

[Majingir]

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I wouldn't do Siakam for CJ. Don't see Raptors dealing him if they're not coming out of it as winners. Not like he's some superstar player demanding a trade like we see all the time in the NBA.

As for a Raptors trade which could happen, one rumor is Dragic, Precious, and a 1st round pick for S&T Lowry.

Raptors would hopefully then flip Dragic to someone like the Mavs or someone else for a draft pick (I'd even attach a 2nd with him if it lands them a 1st, or Dragic goes somewhere and Raptors get option to swap 1sts next year with the other team)