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  • ProfessaPackMan
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    • Mar 2008
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    #751
    2021 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by dubcity
    What is the lazy narrative on Westbrook now? Dude's on his 4th team in 4 years. He's not a player who's going to lead a team to any significant success as a #1. We've known this for a while. That's not a hot take. Not an unfair criticism. And there are a ton of people on the opposite side who loudly wish he'd prove all that wrong every year, and hyping up the triple-doubles, so it's not at all one-sided with the takes.
    Kyrie is on his 3rd team in 4 years, CP3 is on his 3rd team in 3 years. Are those indictments of them as players and their skills or is it because their teams are moving in different directions?

    And No logical basketball fan hypes those triple doubles, lol. What happens is people like you get caught up in Social Media and see @JohnnyBasketbalFan1234 say “@russwest with another triple double proving why he’s the GOAT” and because like 18 people like it/retweet it, then it means the whole world is hyping them up.

    But then on the other side of that, the same people knocking triple doubles will be the same one gassing up Lebron like no tomorrow when he puts one up.
    Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 07-30-2021, 02:22 PM.
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    • JazzMan
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      • Feb 2012
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      #752
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread


      That seems about right. I'd be shocked if anyone gives him more than $25M a year unless Dallas does something like 2 years $60M or something but you'd think Conley would take the 3rd year if he could

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      • JazzMan
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        • Feb 2012
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        #753
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        My only thing with Russ is that we obviously know his flaws. He's a great player but in a really weird spot in his career. He's not going to be that #1 or #2 guy on a contender, but up to this point in his entire career he hasn't settled for anything less than being a #2 guy

        His biggest flaw as we know is his shooting. You can stagger his minutes with LeBron but with all that they gave up for him and are now paying him, he has to be a starter and a closer on that team, which is just a strange fit with Davis and especially LeBron

        Davis isn't the most prolific outside shooter. He can get hot but if he's settling for jumpers for an entire series then that's a win for the defense. If he's still insistent on being a PF then things could get ugly spacing wise.

        And then there's the LeBron issue. You need LeBron to dominate the rock for him to be successful. Just the way it is. But that's how Russ is too. He's not going to be a spot-up shooter, and neither is LeBron. So is AD just going to camp on the 3PT line? Because Russ and LeBron aren't doing that

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        • ProfessaPackMan
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          #754
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          It’s the way it is or it’s the way the current roster is set up? Because when he had Wade and Kyrie, he played some of his best ball not being the primary ball handler for all 48 minutes.

          Idk maybe because I had to hear for the first 3-4 months every game about how Kyrie and Harden couldn’t coexist, they were going to be the Dribble Brothers, they were gonna be at each other throats(pause), Steve Nash was gonna lose his mind even though he wasn’t the “coach” and then folks ended up disappointed because it didn’t happen at all. In fact, it was the opposite and then folks had to find their drama from another team. That’s probably why I want this to work.
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          • cima
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            • Sep 2004
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            #755
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by dubcity
            What is the lazy narrative on Westbrook now? Dude's on his 4th team in 4 years. He's not a player who's going to lead a team to any significant success as a #1. We've known this for a while. That's not a hot take. Not an unfair criticism. And there are a ton of people on the opposite side who loudly wish he'd prove all that wrong every year, and hyping up the triple-doubles, so it's not at all one-sided with the takes.
            He's the freaking #3 option on the Lakers not the #1 option, that's why this is a massive win for the Lakers and the takes are ridiculous about the fit.

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            • jfsolo
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              • May 2003
              • 12965

              #756
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by cima
              He's the freaking #3 option on the Lakers not the #1 option, that's why this is a massive win for the Lakers and the takes are ridiculous about the fit.
              Really, are they? All 3 of your best players are at their best in the paint, 2 of those players were in the the 15 in percentage of time bringing the ball up, Russ at 1 and Bron at 13. None of them are even at 35% lifetime from 3, and are you sure Russ knows that he's the third option, are you sure?

              It's fine if you love Russ, he's a first ballot HOF lead guard that never cheats the game with his effort, but based off the entirety of his career no one can logically say that he's a good fit.

              I 1000% want to eat an Everest size plate of crow at the end of next year,(I did with on Harden with the Nets) but skepticism is the reasonable opinion to have, and not a hot take.
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              • dubcity
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                • May 2012
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                #757
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Kyrie is on his 3rd team in 4 years, CP3 is on his 3rd team in 3 years. Are those indictments of them as players and their skills or is it because their teams are moving in different directions?
                I like Kyrie but I sure as hell would not go all in on him to be the cornerstone of my franchise or anything. Great player but injuries and his own shifting emotions are the reason he gets passed around. CP3 is 36 and small and feels like a bad landing away from being done. It's been 3 straight years of teams moving in different directions away from Westbrook.
                Last edited by dubcity; 07-30-2021, 03:08 PM.

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                • dubcity
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                  • May 2012
                  • 17874

                  #758
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by cima
                  He's the freaking #3 option on the Lakers not the #1 option, that's why this is a massive win for the Lakers and the takes are ridiculous about the fit.
                  Wasn't even talking about him in LA this season. He's definitely the #3 there. He's a strange #3 because he dominates the ball and relies on high-volume to get his numbers. If the idea is that either LeBron or AD (or both) will be out of the lineup on a bunch of nights throughout the regular season, then he's gonna have his 7-for-21 type nights and it's gonna be rough. We've seen him play really well as the clearly defined #2 in his career, so maybe being #3 makes him even better. LeBron needs to be out there tho. Westbrook and AD I could see being weird vibes.

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                  • BleacherBum2310
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                    • Aug 2010
                    • 7107

                    #759
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by JazzMan
                    My only thing with Russ is that we obviously know his flaws. He's a great player but in a really weird spot in his career. He's not going to be that #1 or #2 guy on a contender, but up to this point in his entire career he hasn't settled for anything less than being a #2 guy

                    His biggest flaw as we know is his shooting. You can stagger his minutes with LeBron but with all that they gave up for him and are now paying him, he has to be a starter and a closer on that team, which is just a strange fit with Davis and especially LeBron

                    Davis isn't the most prolific outside shooter. He can get hot but if he's settling for jumpers for an entire series then that's a win for the defense. If he's still insistent on being a PF then things could get ugly spacing wise.

                    And then there's the LeBron issue. You need LeBron to dominate the rock for him to be successful. Just the way it is. But that's how Russ is too. He's not going to be a spot-up shooter, and neither is LeBron. So is AD just going to camp on the 3PT line? Because Russ and LeBron aren't doing that

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                    people also dismiss his shooting like he's only below average nah he's one of the worst shooters in the league. I'm frankly kind of surprised people are being optimistic with this move. maybe I'll be wrong. he'll help in the regular season, post season i just don't see it frankly at all.
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                    • JazzMan
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                      • Feb 2012
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                      #760
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      It’s the way it is or it’s the way the current roster is set up? Because when he had Wade and Kyrie, he played some of his best ball not being the primary ball handler for all 48 minutes.

                      Idk maybe because I had to hear for the first 3-4 months every game about how Kyrie and Harden couldn’t coexist, they were going to be the Dribble Brothers, they were gonna be at each other throats(pause), Steve Nash was gonna lose his mind even though he wasn’t the “coach” and then folks ended up disappointed because it didn’t happen at all. In fact, it was the opposite and then folks had to find their drama from another team. That’s probably why I want this to work.
                      LeBron and Russ aren't nearly the shooters that Kyrie and Harden are, though. And it's not like they're giving you anything more on the defensive end, either

                      Their skillsets just feel really redundant next to each other. I mean I could be wrong, maybe LeBron will take more of a backseat in terms of ball-handling and he'll have a career-year shooting the ball, it's certainly possible but I don't think it's likely
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                      • georgiafan
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 11125

                        #761
                        2021 Offseason Thread

                        Trade alert

                        Boston gets - Kris Dunn and Bruno future 2nd

                        Atlanta gets Triston Thompson

                        With the hole at backup C this plugs a hole. Even though I loved the Dunn signing he only played 43 minutes this year bc Injuries. I would have probably keep Dunn, but I get the logic.

                        Edit - apparently Atlanta gives up the 2nd rounder which makes it worse for Atlanta. Since this saves Boston a few million


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                        • ProfessaPackMan
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                          #762
                          2021 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by dubcity
                          I like Kyrie but I sure as hell would not go all in on him to be the cornerstone of my franchise or anything. Great player but injuries and his own shifting emotions are the reason he gets passed around. CP3 is 36 and small and feels like a bad landing away from being done. It's been 3 straight years of teams moving in different directions away from Westbrook.
                          He’s 10s years in, it’d be ridiculous to think he can be one or any player who’s been in the league that long at this point. And that’s ok.

                          My main issue was/is when you and/or other fans revert to the “He’s been on multiple teams in a short amount of time, it must mean something is wrong with him” card for players in general. Because more times than not, people are going to automatically assume that those are bad players.
                          Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 07-30-2021, 05:01 PM.
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                          • jeebs9
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                            • Oct 2008
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                            #763
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by georgiafan
                            Trade alert

                            Boston gets - Kris Dunn and Bruno future 2nd

                            Atlanta gets Triston Thompson

                            With the hole at backup C this plugs a hole. Even though I loved the Dunn signing he only played 43 minutes this year bc Injuries. I would have probably keep Dunn, but I get the logic.

                            Edit - apparently Atlanta gives up the 2nd rounder which makes it worse for Atlanta. Since this saves Boston a few million


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                            • ProfessaPackMan
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                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

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                              • BleacherBum2310
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                                • Aug 2010
                                • 7107

                                #765
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by georgiafan
                                Trade alert

                                Boston gets - Kris Dunn and Bruno future 2nd

                                Atlanta gets Triston Thompson

                                With the hole at backup C this plugs a hole. Even though I loved the Dunn signing he only played 43 minutes this year bc Injuries. I would have probably keep Dunn, but I get the logic.

                                Edit - apparently Atlanta gives up the 2nd rounder which makes it worse for Atlanta. Since this saves Boston a few million


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                                Also this for Boston.
                                A league source tells MassLive that Celtics were able to fit Kris Dunn into Enes Kanter's $5 million trade exception which was set to expire this weekend. That allows them to create a new $9.2 million exception in sending out Tristan Thompson.
                                Nice Job brad.
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