2021 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/s...945133579?s=19

I wonder where in the trade

Kuz or Trez maybe?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Shams already said those 2 wouldn’t be enough for us to accept in a trade. Basically saying Marks isn’t all that crazy about either of them.

Haven’t seen any of the local, more plugged in guys say anything is close either but then again the Nets very rarely have anything leak out from their side since Marks has been there.

[areobee401]

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Evan Fournier reportedly wants $80M / four years. For the love of god, please let that man become a NYK mistake.


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[King_B_Mack]

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The article points out that Schroder could be signed and traded to Washington rather than Sacramento while bringing back Buddy for the Lakers.

The part I don’t understand is the author’s insistence that the Lakers had to leak a Westbrook trade. That just doesn’t make sense. It’s still possible that it comes together that way until the trade is official but we’ll see. Just seems like a Lakers author trying to will it to happen.

I’m sure the Lakers are hoping they can sign and trade Dennis somewhere though.


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The article is based on the assumption he would go to Washington. Which was basically what I had said too, I was just rattling off some stupid hypothetical though for the fun of it though.

And the Bulls actually can’t sign him outright, not for the money he’s projected to get. Think they would have to renounce rights to everyone, including some guys like Lauri, Theis, and still make a move to clear more space after. A Bulls S&T would make sense though. If Chicago send back some combination with 2 of Thad/Tomas/Aminu they could pay Schroder the rumored amounts will still bringing back a couple of those guys who have cap holds while staying under the hard cap. Chicago is sitting on basically 100mil in cap now, 66 mil in cap holds.

I was going to ask you if Chicago was even a real thing. The “Chicago willing to offer 150mil” felt like a Schroder camp leak to get him more money by making up a ridiculous amount to the team that has his former coach.. but I have since seen that Billy is interested too. Bulls already have scoring guard potential in a younger player with White though, so I didn’t know.

Again like you said he would have to want to go to the Bulls or Knicks too, something that hasn’t been said for either of them. I’m not sure Knicks rumors are even true, I can’t imagine their vision is locking up B level guys like Randle and Schroder long term is their plan to square off against teams who have superstars. But who knows it’s the Knicks. Maybe a back up plan if they strike out on everyone else, but even a guy like Kemba makes a bit more sense for them. Though he’s not a FA, OKC would happily get off that contract.

A Schroder S&T doesn’t only help the Lakers. It also gets him to a team he wants to go to that doesn’t have the cap to sign him outright. So there are plenty of reasons for him to want to do it. Regardless I think the most likely scenario is the Lakers just keeping him. Seems silly to let him walk for nothing, they of all teams shouldn’t be concerned with luxury tax in a LeBron window, and his contract can always be moved down the line.


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Yeah I read the article. I'm aware how sign and trades work. My thing was just how it's been constantly thrown around how the Lakers can just get whoever it is they're interested in and send back Schroder as if it's a foregone conclusion that he wants to go to any of these teams or that any of those teams even want him. The article mentioned Washington, but it also mentioned getting a fourth team involved when we already know that sign and trades and multi team trades are so hard to get done because teams don't want to be bothered with them. Now I just saw today that confirms one of my points that the Kings and Wizards don't want Schroder in a S&T.

The Los Angeles Lakers are reportedly "at risk" of losing point guard Dennis Schroder "for nothing" in free agency because of a lack of interest in a potential sign-and-trade deal.

ESPN's Zach Lowe reported Saturday the Washington Wizards, who sent Russell Westbrook to L.A. in a blockbuster trade earlier in the week, and the Sacramento Kings, who have a Lakers target in Buddy Hield, both "don't want" Schroder, and many of the teams seeking a point guard can sign him directly from the open market without sending Los Angeles an asset in return.

As for the Bulls, Thad and Tomas are goners this offseason regardless in order to get the PG they want. I don't think the Bulls are trying to get Dennis at $150 mil. That's definitely his camp putting that nonsense out there. The Bulls can get a maximum of around $32 mil in cap room to sign Schroder or Zo if they wanted to go that route by waiving and stretching Thad and Tomas, decline Arcidiacano's option and let all of Valentine, Theis, Felicio, Temple, Lauri, Green, Dotson and Mokoka walk. We'll see how it plays out, but S&T is not their only option to get Schroder if they want him.

[ojandpizza]

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As for the Bulls, Thad and Tomas are goners this offseason regardless in order to get the PG they want. I don't think the Bulls are trying to get Dennis at $150 mil. That's definitely his camp putting that nonsense out there. The Bulls can get a maximum of around $32 mil in cap room to sign Schroder or Zo if they wanted to go that route by waiving and stretching Thad and Tomas, decline Arcidiacano's option and let all of Valentine, Theis, Felicio, Temple, Lauri, Green, Dotson and Mokoka walk. We'll see how it plays out, but S&T is not their only option to get Schroder if they want him.

This is true, and if say Lonzo or Lowry is there guy something they might consider. But why would they do all that to get Schroder if they can just move Thad and Tomas to get him? That leaves them with enough room to still likely match and keep Lauri, even if they don't want him it's a trade piece, and maybe still use one of their MLEs before hitting the hard cap if they waive and stretch Aminu. Might not even have to lose Aminu, giving them another trade chip.

In the other scenario you're waiving and stretching maybe all 3 of Thad, Tomas, Aminu which means you're paying them for 3-4 years down the line, as well as losing Lauri for nothing.

I understand you're looking at it from a why would Dennis/another team help the Lakers but in this scenario a S&T helps all of the Lakers, Dennis, and Chicago. A S&T allows Dennis to get where he wants without that team having to get worse or renounce rights to players/trade pieces to make room for him. And in Chicago's case they could likely retain more value on their roster, especially in keeping Lauri, and not have to stretch all those guys paying them money when they aren't even on their team anymore.

[ojandpizza]

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Shams already said those 2 wouldn’t be enough for us to accept in a trade. Basically saying Marks isn’t all that crazy about either of them.

Haven’t seen any of the local, more plugged in guys say anything is close either but then again the Nets very rarely have anything leak out from their side since Marks has been there.

No disrespect to Dinwiddie but surely the Wizards would look for bigger fish/more assets in a Beal move.

I could see all of Bertans, Bryant, and KCP being the type of complimentary players that would really benefit the Nets though. That's quite a bit of salary and might be able to get the Nets off the Jordan contract for a pick(s) in return. No idea how the money plays out Washington would be hard capped getting back Dinwiddie but just glancing at the numbers it looks possible.

[ojandpizza]

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Yeah I read the article. I'm aware how sign and trades work. My thing was just how it's been constantly thrown around how the Lakers can just get whoever it is they're interested in and send back Schroder as if it's a foregone conclusion that he wants to go to any of these teams or that any of those teams even want him.

Also literally nobody is doing this lol. IDK why the Lakers rumors are the only ones that get you worked up but it's all just speculation based on players that have legit traction as far as rumors go. Lakers DO want Hield, Bulls seem to want Schroder. So obviously people will looks for ways to see how scenarios around either of those moves could play out.

There is literally not a person alive that has said Hield is going to the Lakers because the Wizards/Kings for sure want Dennis Schroder. It's all just hypotheticals of what is technically possible. Don't take the **** so serious man, just enjoy the mayhem that is the NBA off-season.

[King_B_Mack]

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This is true, and if say Lonzo or Lowry is there guy something they might consider. But why would they do all that to get Schroder if they can just move Thad and Tomas to get him? That leaves them with enough room to still likely match and keep Lauri, even if they don't want him it's a trade piece, and maybe still use one of their MLEs before hitting the hard cap if they waive and stretch Aminu. Might not even have to lose Aminu, giving them another trade chip.

In the other scenario you're waiving and stretching maybe all 3 of Thad, Tomas, Aminu which means you're paying them for 3-4 years down the line, as well as losing Lauri for nothing.

I understand you're looking at it from a why would Dennis/another team help the Lakers but in this scenario a S&T helps all of the Lakers, Dennis, and Chicago. A S&T allows Dennis to get where he wants without that team having to get worse or renounce rights to players/trade pieces to make room for him. And in Chicago's case they could likely retain more value on their roster, especially in keeping Lauri, and not have to stretch all those guys paying them money when they aren't even on their team anymore.

I honestly don't see any scenario where Lauri is here next year if he's getting big money. Some team is gonna sign him to a big offer sheet and I'd be shocked if the Bulls match. Honestly not sure why they extended the QO to him. Perhaps so that the market can dictate his price and then if it's a number they don't like let him go? I don't know the strategy there.

Also literally nobody is doing this lol. IDK why the Lakers rumors are the only ones that get you worked up but it's all just speculation based on players that have legit traction as far as rumors go. Lakers DO want Hield, Bulls seem to want Schroder. So obviously people will looks for ways to see how scenarios around either of those moves could play out.

There is literally not a person alive that has said Hield is going to the Lakers because the Wizards/Kings for sure want Dennis Schroder. It's all just hypotheticals of what is technically possible. Don't take the **** so serious man, just enjoy the mayhem that is the NBA off-season.

What is worked up? I have a full time job and a 1 year old bro a message board isn't working me up. It is however getting a little annoying that we do this thing where whenever I comment on ANY OTHER thing in the NBA it's crickets, soon as I say something about the Lakers/LeBron then we pretend like all I do is talk about LeBron or whatever team he's on and run the "nobody is saying/doing this" thing. Like we not on a message board where we can literally go back and read some of the posts in here about the Lakers' moves that revolved around shipping Schroder in trades like that man isn't a UFA with a say in the matter.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Evan Fournier reportedly wants $80M / four years. For the love of god, please let that man become a NYK mistake.


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Whoa whoa whoa. Leave us out of this. I have no doubts his agent is leaking that we have interest.

Anyway looks like Dallas and NY are freeing up cap space. I know Dallas wants to re-sign THJr and want to make a push for Lowry. I think Dragic is a better “fit” there than Lowry.

I have no idea who the Knicks are targeting but I hope it’s Lonzo. Wouldn’t mind THT on the cheap either.

Julius Randle’s $4M is now guaranteed at $19M today. He’s eligible to sign a 4-yr deal.

[King_B_Mack]

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So since he opted out. What does everyone think a Bobby Portis deal looks like after his Finals performance? Obviously he only helped himself with that one, but how much so did it help?

[King_B_Mack]

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[jeebs9]

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So since he opted out. What does everyone think a Bobby Portis deal looks like after his Finals performance? Obviously he only helped himself with that one, but how much so did it help?

He's worth it in my opinion. Every team needs crazy eyes. And I say worth. I don't know how much. But how did a player like Crowder get last year from the Suns. He's worth that kind of money in my opinion.

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Yup worth it. His ability to score and pass is exactly what they needed. But I don't know if this is the right team to win a ring with. I feel like everyone else is going to reload. So unless they improve their team in other ways. I don't know.

[Vni]

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Too long of a contract imo.

[jeebs9]

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Too long of a contract imo.

You can always trade him after one year. Money looks good to me.

Pack, how do you feel about this pick up? I'm not crazy about him. Only because he's smaller. Obviously a great shooter. I feel we could use a more defensive guard.

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[ojandpizza]

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I honestly don't see any scenario where Lauri is here next year if he's getting big money. Some team is gonna sign him to a big offer sheet and I'd be shocked if the Bulls match. Honestly not sure why they extended the QO to him. Perhaps so that the market can dictate his price and then if it's a number they don't like let him go? I don't know the strategy there.

Why would the Bulls not want to sign Lauri though? Even if he isn't in their long term plans it would make no sense to lose a player like him for nothing. They can S&T him now, trade him at the deadline, trade him next off-season, but the guy has potential and if somebody is willing to offer him more now that means he has enough interest for the Bulls to not let him just walk.

How often do teams even let 23 year olds with career 16 and 7 numbers leave for nothing, especially just coming off his best shooting year which was not far off from the 50/40/90 club. Dude was 19 and 9 the lone year he played 30+ minutes.

And say they do what you said where they just renounce everyone for space, their starting 4 is Aminu now? With no back up center, no back up 4, like what is their game plan if they let him and everyone walk to chase a B level point guard?

What is worked up? I have a full time job and a 1 year old bro a message board isn't working me up. It is however getting a little annoying that we do this thing where whenever I comment on ANY OTHER thing in the NBA it's crickets, soon as I say something about the Lakers/LeBron then we pretend like all I do is talk about LeBron or whatever team he's on and run the "nobody is saying/doing this" thing. Like we not on a message board where we can literally go back and read some of the posts in here about the Lakers' moves that revolved around shipping Schroder in trades like that man isn't a UFA with a say in the matter.

But there has also been discussions revolving around Lowry, Dinwiddie, DeRozan, Schroder, John Collins, etc and Schroder is the one you dislike.

Obviously the player has to be willing to go to the team, but spotrac is predicting 7 teams to have the cap space to sign him outright. New York which is the most obvious leave for nothing destination I'm assuming he's option E of F for them though, Spurs which doesn't feel like a fit, Dallas but that's assuming the don't keep THJ which they claim they are and moved money to do so, back to OKC which seems unlikely, Raptors but that's assuming Lowry is leaving for nothing and they don't make their own S&T move, Grizzlies which is a no, and Miami which would likely include not picking up options for Dragic and Iggy, and/or renouncing rights to guys like Oladipo, Ariza, Bjelica. They might be in play if they don't chase a bigger grab instead.

Nobody is pretending he doesn't have a say, or that those moves are anything deeper than hypotheticals. But this idea that loads of teams can afford him, or even want to afford him after him wanting that type of money also isn't true. It takes massive wiggle room to clear space and most teams don't do it for a non star. Not every team interested in a guy like Schroder is going to want to renounce the rights to half their roster and lost 3-4 rotation pieces to get him.