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  • ojandpizza
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    • Apr 2011
    • 29806

    #1771
    Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

    Originally posted by VDusen04
    I still watch the modern NBA and enjoy a lot of it, but it probably has more frustrating elements than I've ever encountered in 30 years of viewing. And the thing is, a lot of the elements that frustrate me are stupid and frivolous yet somehow they all add up to a sour experience if it's not counterbalanced by someone like Steph Curry doing amazing things.

    I'm fully ready to catch flak for some of these but it is what it is. These are the things that end up making me feel like a mark for tuning in:

    1. The 14,000 minutes of video replay

    2. The soft flagrants where there was zero intent and completely happenstance contact (alongside the corresponding five minutes of video review).

    3. Egregious foul hunting, which I think has dipped a nominal amount after the rule emphasis last year but still stands far beyond any other level of foul hunting I've seen in history.

    4. Kamikaze offensive players who truck stick into defenders and reap the reward (akin to one of my old school frustrations, which was how Shaq was allowed to murder people in the post to get his buckets).

    5. Hamstrung defenders who are continuously unduly punished for realistic counter-measures. (We can argue what kind of defense should be allowed or not but I'm frustrated by what I see nonetheless.)

    6. The obnoxious on-court ads that are so huge and frequent now that it's almost like the game is flaunting how stupid I am for tuning into their product, particularly the local broadcasts and their superimposed ads.

    7. The loss of team identity with the extreme cash-grab approach of swapping out jersey designs every single year while completely abandoning home-away patterns, making it unnecessarily difficult to quickly identify who's playing and where.

    8. The mega-inflation of offensive performances on account limited defensive counter-measures. Shooters are just about untouchable, firing with the confidence of knowing only the most perfect defensive contest can hinder them, with defenders otherwise forced to jump to the side of them or put themselves in position to be fouled by a kicking offensive player.

    Again, we can argue all day about whether viewers should be frustrated. But fact of the matter is, many are, myself included. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy many elements of the game (you'll still absolutely see me glued to the screen when Steph goes off) but it does mean that there's a number of barriers there.

    And to be fair, there's always been barriers. I mentioned my frustration with Shaq Ball in the 2000's. And I didn't mind leaving the 72-68 type of pace of the early 2000's. But the pendulum's just swinging a bit far in the other direction now. To the point where I'm often like, "Aight this is getting stupid now."

    Through all that, here's something I am grateful for in today's game: Imagine if the league hadn't ended the Hack-a-Shaq strategy. What a mess everything would be today if that was still as viable as it was seven years ago.

    I don’t disagree with most of this, I don’t know that it bothers me as much as you, but I’m not arguing any of those things.

    I’m saying “the game sucks because too many fouls and free throws” doesn’t hold weight because their are less fouls and free-throws than ever.

    People foul hunting, shooters being too protected, weak flagrants, too many replays, that type of stuff is a legit gripe for sure.

    I will say, I don’t think foul hunting is all that “new”.. I think it looks different. Jordan flying through the air crashing into dudes with his back to flip the ball over his shoulder backwards and get free-throws from it was a popular tactic for every player until they implemented the verticality rule. Defenders were just as hamstring in those instances, what are they supposed to do when they are straight up and players can draw fouls with their backbones? Lol.. I know again it looks different, but Reggie was doing the same thing all modern players were doing now before some more rule changes. And while he looks like an outlier that’s only because he was the only player really taking those types of shots. Other players didn’t really have defenders chasing them to close out on three point bombs like players now, like Reggie then. Had that been the case you bet your *** we’d have the same issues we have now, same we had with Reggie, same as the dudes flying into defenders at will, just more of them occurring 25 feet from the rim rather than 5 feet.

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    • VDusen04
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2003
      • 13025

      #1772
      Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

      Originally posted by ojandpizza
      I will say, I don’t think foul hunting is all that “new”.. I think it looks different. Jordan flying through the air crashing into dudes with his back to flip the ball over his shoulder backwards and get free-throws from it was a popular tactic for every player until they implemented the verticality rule. Defenders were just as hamstring in those instances, what are they supposed to do when they are straight up and players can draw fouls with their backbones? Lol.. I know again it looks different, but Reggie was doing the same thing all modern players were doing now before some more rule changes. And while he looks like an outlier that’s only because he was the only player really taking those types of shots. Other players didn’t really have defenders chasing them to close out on three point bombs like players now, like Reggie then. Had that been the case you bet your *** we’d have the same issues we have now, same we had with Reggie, same as the dudes flying into defenders at will, just more of them occurring 25 feet from the rim rather than 5 feet.
      Let's not do this, haha.

      We both know it's not the same. If it was, I would have been just as frustrated then as I am now. But I wasn't, because it wasn't.
      Last edited by VDusen04; 04-01-2023, 08:08 PM.

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      • phenom1990
        MVP
        • Mar 2008
        • 4789

        #1773
        Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

        Originally posted by J_Posse
        I hope the concept of a "mid-season tournament" dies a quick and sudden death.

        It makes no sense to create an artificial "tournament" to boost engagement when involved only the NBA. If they included another league or leagues, then it would have a little more traction (though I would still be against it).Yeah, as an "old head," I agree with most of this post.

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        When this came up in the summer, I said the NBA doesn’t acknowledge that the thing closest to the European soccer cups and tournaments in this country is March Madness.

        Which is built off of teams getting shots at big teams that they rarely get a shot at. The problem is everybody in the NBA plays each other and there is a salary cap here for an attempt at parity.

        The other thing about those cups is that with how European soccer is structured; the best shot any of the smaller clubs have at a trophy is through those Cups.

        The smaller clubs know they can’t compete with the bigger clubs ( Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, etc) over the course of 38 games. So whatever is their FA cup/ March Madness equivalent is their shot at them. Leicester City winning the Premier League about 10 years ago being the exception.
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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29806

          #1774
          Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

          Mid-season NBA tournament makes absolutely no ****ing sense. [emoji2371]

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          • ojandpizza
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 29806

            #1775
            Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

            Originally posted by VDusen04
            Let's not do this, haha.

            We both know it's not the same. If it was, I would have been just as frustrated then as I am now. But I wasn't, because it wasn't.

            It’s not the same I’m just saying I think it’s not nearly as far off as it’s made out to be. In my opinion most of the things people dislike have largely been there in the past as well but happening at different spots on the floor and happening on different types of shots. Even things like rip throughs and all that, like post players haven’t been doing that off shots in the paint for the past 50 years. But players do it 25 feet from the basket, and then we replay it in HD slow-motion, and people lose their minds.

            It’s kinda like the above comments about final score being 80 to 80 or whatever as a result of defense. But you watch the games, like actually go watch the games, and it has very little to do with how guys are/aren’t allowed to defend now vs then. Stylistically speaking teams were so hell bent on getting the ball into the post, and not looking for threes, not looking to swing the ball to the side of the floor they didn’t have isolated, that they might literally be passing up 4-5 wide open shots every trip up the floor. But those aren’t shots/looks teams wanted… teams want those shots now, an open 3 on the weak side of the floor is now one of the highest valued looks. It used to be a last resort.

            Part of the reason points per possession are hardly any different now despite the giant increase in shot attempts being worth the extra point. Same with shooting percentages being similar too. If people were just as wide open, and sent to the line as frequently as claimed these numbers would be astronomically higher.

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29806

              #1776
              Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

              VDusen - Completely off topic from all this but I don’t catch you here as often. With all the young guys in Detroit, and another high pick coming, what are your expectations going into next season? I saw Casey make a statement about guys aren’t going to be allowed to play through mistakes like they have been. What do you think their off-season goals could realistically look like?

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              • J_Posse
                Greatness Personified
                • Jun 2005
                • 11254

                #1777
                Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                Mid-season NBA tournament makes absolutely no ****ing sense. [emoji2371]
                Adam Silver has lost the plot. SMDH

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #1778
                  Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  I’m hoping more comes out but aside from being able to smoke, I’m curious as to what else the players gained in this?



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                  • Yeah...THAT Guy
                    Once in a Lifetime Memory
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 17294

                    #1779
                    Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    Mid-season NBA tournament makes absolutely no ****ing sense. [emoji2371]

                    Im pretty indifferent towards it. Teams and fans barely care about regular season games as is. The tournament games can’t possibly be worse.


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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #1780
                      NBA Off Topic Thread

                      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                      https://twitter.com/shamscharania/st...6bvvDA1Ph6jBcA

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                      I can see so many issues coming from all of these whew buddy lol
                      Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 04-01-2023, 10:18 PM.
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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29806

                        #1781
                        Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                        Im pretty indifferent towards it. Teams and fans barely care about regular season games as is. The tournament games can’t possibly be worse.


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                        I don’t disagree with that I just don’t see the benefit of it is more so what I’m getting at.

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                        • phenom1990
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4789

                          #1782
                          Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                          If they put the tournament games in cities that don’t have NBA teams, I can maybe see the point of it.

                          Las Vegas, Seattle, London, insert international cities.
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                          • zello144
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 2183

                            #1783
                            Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            Mid-season NBA tournament makes absolutely no ****ing sense. [emoji2371]
                            We're gonna have to start counting the winners of those as fake rings. Once that happens I think they'll abandon the idea of the tournament.

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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #1784
                              Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                              Originally posted by ojandpizza
                              I don’t disagree with that I just don’t see the benefit of it is more so what I’m getting at.

                              I think for fans it’s simply that we might get some more exciting regular season games/fans in the tournament locations can see games they ordinarily wouldn’t.


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                              • illwill10
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 19794

                                #1785
                                Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                                "ESPN Sources w/ @BobbyMarks42: NBA and NBPA agreed to eliminate restrictions limiting a team to two designated super-max players. This would have a huge impact for Cavs, who have Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland on super max deals and Evan Mobley approaching rookie extension."

                                That should allow trades that results in having 3 Supermax players on a team

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