Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

[Cebby]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Thats not fair to say, look at Damon Jones last year, then look at him this year...Last year he looks like hes almost good enough to make the all star team playing alongside Wade. This year playing with Lebron, he didnt play quite as well. Just some food for thought.

Hint, there's another player on the Heat. He draws the most double teams on the Heat. Blaming Lebron for Damon Jones having a bad year is rediculous. Is it Lebron's fault he had 100 fewer rebounds? Or that his shooting percentage dropped nearly .100 points?

You can take Bron, while I'll take Wade and win championships.

Would you take Haslem over Lebron? Antoine Walker? Posey?

[Air23]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Would you take Haslem over Lebron? Antoine Walker? Posey?

What kind of question is this?

[nickb]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Hint, there's another player on the Heat. He draws the most double teams on the Heat. Blaming Lebron for Damon Jones having a bad year is rediculous. Is it Lebron's fault he had 100 fewer rebounds? Or that his shooting percentage dropped nearly .100 points?



Would you take Haslem over Lebron? Antoine Walker? Posey?

I would imagine his percentage dropping has something to do with him not getting open shots...Wade will take you to the hole and then kick it out for three, it seemed like they did that quite a bit last year when Jones was on the team. I didnt really watch the heat all that much this year but it would seem that maybe LBJ was a bit more outside oriented, rather than taking it to the hole and kicking it out for Jones. LBJ cant be 100% to blame for Jones drop off, but he should shoulder some of the blame...

[Cebby]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

What kind of question is this?

Basketball isn't 1 on 1. It isn't Wade vs Lebron with Wade winning the finals. It was the Cavs losing to the Pistons and the Heat beating the Pistons and Mavs. Wade didn't win the championship nor does him simply being on a team make them a championship team. There are several other players on the Heat who contributed a lot to the team, and they have more championships than Lebron too. The Heat had a very good team, even without Wade, but with Wade they're a championship team. On the other hand, minus Wade, but add about 15 other players (including Lebron) and they're still a championship team. Take Lebron off the Cavs and add any other player, including Wade, and they still aren't winning the championship. The championship arguement is stupid.

I would imagine his percentage dropping has something to do with him not getting open shots...Wade will take you to the hole and then kick it out for three, it seemed like they did that quite a bit last year when Jones was on the team. I didnt really watch the heat all that much this year but it would seem that maybe LBJ was a bit more outside oriented, rather than taking it to the hole and kicking it out for Jones. LBJ cant be 100% to blame for Jones drop off, but he should shoulder some of the blame...

Or maybe he just had a bad year? If anything you can attribute his great 2005 year to Shaq. It was by far his best year ever in his career and coincidentally, the only one that involved Shaq. His numbers with Wade in 2004 were worse than his ones with Lebron in 2006.

Either way it has nothing to do with Lebron. When you compare the 8 highest FG shooters on the Cavs by shooting percentage, Damon Jones finished...8th. Hughes didn't have a problem shooting, nor did Marshall, or Snow, or Murray. I'm going to put this one on the back of Damon Jones himself.

[nickb]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Jones didnt play with Wade in 04...He played with the Bucks. I get what you are saying though. Shaq is a shadow of his former self though, yet still draws more defenders then he should...

[Kashanova]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Thats not fair to say, look at Damon Jones last year, then look at him this year...Last year he looks like hes almost good enough to make the all star team playing alongside Wade. This year playing with Lebron, he didnt play quite as well. Just some food for thought.

ok i can see a huge bias in you, he wasn't playing good cause he was playing with wade and im sure everyone on this forum knows that

[nickb]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

ok i can see a huge bias in you, he wasn't playing good cause he was playing with wade and im sure everyone on this forum knows that

No doubt I have a huge bias as far as Wade goes, Ill be the first to admit that. But when someone makes a claim that the Heat win the title if they had Lebron instead of Wade, im gonna try to defeat that argument. Im trying to say that Wade makes players around him better. By saying that Damon Jones had a better season with Wade then he did with LBJ, imo that proves my point. You may not see it that way, but I was just trying to prove my point.

[Cebby]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

But when someone makes a claim that the Heat win the title if they had Lebron instead of Wade, im gonna try to defeat that argument

In reality, you are probably the only person who thinks that the Heat with Lebron wouldn't win. Keep things in perspective, Wade wasn't even voted first team All NBA. He is not the definitive player in the NBA who is far above the competition. He's not Jordan. The Heat isn't just Wade. The Cavs pretty much are Lebron. And Jones did do better with Wade and Shaq. You seem to be forgetting that tiny piece of information.

[Kashanova]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

No doubt I have a huge bias as far as Wade goes, Ill be the first to admit that. But when someone makes a claim that the Heat win the title if they had Lebron instead of Wade, im gonna try to defeat that argument. Im trying to say that Wade makes players around him better. By saying that Damon Jones had a better season with Wade then he did with LBJ, imo that proves my point. You may not see it that way, but I was just trying to prove my point.

yea but he only had a better season along side wade cause along with wade was the big diseal the guy who makes three point shooters millionaires

D Fish, Fox, Horry would all agree

[kuruption]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

In reality, you are probably the only person who thinks that the Heat with Lebron wouldn't win. Keep things in perspective, Wade wasn't even voted first team All NBA. He is not the definitive player in the NBA who is far above the competition. He's not Jordan. The Heat isn't just Wade. The Cavs pretty much are Lebron. And Jones did do better with Wade and Shaq. You seem to be forgetting that tiny piece of information.

jordan himself cant make a lottery team a championship team . nobody is that good.

agreed wade has a great team. is he the leader yes .
are they a championship team without him ? no
are they a lottery team without him? not even close

now ask those same questions about lbj and the cavs-obviously hes the leader
are they a championship team without him ? even with him they arent a championship caliber team because they dont have much talent.
are they a lottery team without him ? without lbj they are in the lottery and guaranteed a top 3 pick .

its really as simple as that.

[kuruption]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

yea but he only had a better season along side wade cause along with wade was the big diseal the guy who makes three point shooters millionaires

D Fish, Fox, Horry would all agree

i think you need to take horry off that list . horry proved has proved his worth without shaq.

[nickb]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

yea but he only had a better season along side wade cause along with wade was the big diseal the guy who makes three point shooters millionaires

D Fish, Fox, Horry would all agree

Touche...

[nickb]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

In reality, you are probably the only person who thinks that the Heat with Lebron wouldn't win. Keep things in perspective, Wade wasn't even voted first team All NBA. He is not the definitive player in the NBA who is far above the competition. He's not Jordan. The Heat isn't just Wade. The Cavs pretty much are Lebron. And Jones did do better with Wade and Shaq. You seem to be forgetting that tiny piece of information.

Its trivial to argue about that. Fact is that Wade did win it with the Heat, Lebron didnt make it to the confrence finals with the Cavs. You should really realize that Shaq isnt his former self either, and in the finals, when it came down to crunch time the Heat were Wade.

[jmood88]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Its trivial to argue about that. Fact is that Wade did win it with the Heat, Lebron didnt make it to the confrence finals with the Cavs. You should really realize that Shaq isnt his former self either, and in the finals, when it came down to crunch time the Heat were Wade.

I really don't see how anyone can argue that Lebron has better teammates than Wade. The cavs are terrible.

[Cebby]

Re: Am I the only one who would take Wade over Lebron?

Its trivial to argue about that. Fact is that Wade did win it with the Heat, Lebron didnt make it to the confrence finals with the Cavs. You should really realize that Shaq isnt his former self either, and in the finals, when it came down to crunch time the Heat were Wade.

Alright, I know you're a super biased homer, so I'm not going to say much. Yes, the fact is Wade won it with the Heat and Lebron didn't win it with the Cavs. That really has no relevence to anything unless the Heat and Cavs play a one on one game between Wade and Lebron. Until then, basketball is a team game. Isiah Thomas beat Jordan in the playoffs three times. However, it's obvious the Pistons were a slightly better team than the Bulls at that point, not that Thomas was better than Jordan.

Right now, take Lebron off the Cavs and Wade off the Heat. Now look at the lineups. The Heat might be better at every single position.

And that guy who isn't his former self accompanied Lebron on the All NBA First Team, something Wade wasn't on.