Official Boston Celtics Thread

[jeremym480]

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I'm so torn on this because I love Bradley and Smart and really, really like Crowder, as well. On the surface, I would say Crowder would be the one to go, but keeping both Bradley and Smart seems a little redundant. Plus, Crowder gives us a bruiser to guard the LeBron types and we don't lose that much when he's the PF in small ball lineups.

Obviously, their contracts situations is a big factor as well since Crowder has one of the best contracts in the NBA. As much as I hate it I think Bradley or Smart is going to have to go.

[areobee401]

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I don't no want to send Crowder to Utah to clear space. These past few days have soured my view of Utah fans and media.

[tonybologna]

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I don't no want to send Crowder to Utah to clear space. These past few days have soured my view of Utah fans and media.

What about trading Bradley or Smart? You against any of those guys being traded?

[areobee401]

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What about trading Bradley or Smart? You against any of those guys being traded?

No I'm perfectly fine moving Jae. I was speaking to a portion of Utah media and fans handling of Hayward leaving rubbing me the wrong way.

[BleacherBum2310]

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I really don't know which one to move all have their +. Wish heyward would just take 500k less haha.

Crowder contract is so valuable and him as a smallball 4 makes me think it's between Smart or Bradley.

[jeremym480]

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Well, looks like Avery's gone for Marcus Morris. I'm really going to miss him because he's one of my favorite Celtics ever (for more than just basketball reasons). However, he did seem like the logical choice, especially after the Knicks likely priced us out of keeping AB next year with their Hardaway deal.

I'm interested to see who's going to start next season. I assume this will push either Smart into the starting lineup, but Brown or Hayward at SG is a possibility as well and of course, Ainge may not be done yet.

[areobee401]

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Thomas
Hayward
Crowder
Morris
Horford

Would be my best guess.

[jeremym480]

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Thomas
Hayward
Crowder
Morris
Horford

Would be my best guess.

I think that's a strong possibility. It's going to be tough to stop the Wall's and Irving's of the NBA with that starting lineup... not that you can really do much to slow them down anyway.

I think Smart is probably the best guy to run the 2nd-unit offense though and our bench should be super fun. I'd like to add another vet big, but I think this move and cutting Mickey will give us enough cap room to bring Yabu over. Hopefully, at least one of Yabu, Zizic or Theis can step up and provide good energy off of the bench.

[tonybologna]

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Thomas
Hayward
Crowder
Morris
Horford

Would be my best guess.

I think that starting lineup is a strong possibility. However, we could start Hayward at SF & start Smart at SG. That way we have two guys in IT4 & Smart on the court like having 2 PG's. Smart can do it all on defense & his offensive game is coming around too. That's the only other change that I could see really. Wonder what type of bench we're going to have? Olynyk & Johnson is gone. Should have Zeller back but we hardly ever even use him. Rozier will be back unless we end up trading him.

James Young I'm not sure if he's a UFA or not but he could be back but again he's never panned out in Boston. I think Nader whom we played in the D-League last season is a possibility now in coming off the bench for a few minutes per game. The rest of the guys we have are either going to still be in Europe or in the D-League one. If this is all we have to do or give up in getting Hayward then I think we have done extra well. I got a feeling though somebody else just might be traded in the end.

One other possibility in the starting lineup is starting Hayward at SF but have Crowder coming off the bench to provide us some bench help otherwise we're going to have one of the weakest benches in the league & can't depend on them for much help. I still think the starting lineup above is more likely but I do think having Crowder off the bench there's a chance for that. Thanks.

[jeremym480]

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I think that starting lineup is a strong possibility. However, we could start Hayward at SF & start Smart at SG. That way we have two guys in IT4 & Smart on the court like having 2 PG's. Smart can do it all on defense & his offensive game is coming around too. That's the only other change that I could see really. Wonder what type of bench we're going to have? Olynyk & Johnson is gone. Should have Zeller back but we hardly ever even use him. Rozier will be back unless we end up trading him.

James Young I'm not sure if he's a UFA or not but he could be back but again he's never panned out in Boston. I think Nader whom we played in the D-League last season is a possibility now in coming off the bench for a few minutes per game. The rest of the guys we have are either going to still be in Europe or in the D-League one. If this is all we have to do or give up in getting Hayward then I think we have done extra well. I got a feeling though somebody else just might be traded in the end.

One other possibility in the starting lineup is starting Hayward at SF but have Crowder coming off the bench to provide us some bench help otherwise we're going to have one of the weakest benches in the league & can't depend on them for much help. I still think the starting lineup above is more likely but I do think having Crowder off the bench there's a chance for that. Thanks.

James Young is playing for New Orleans in Summer League so he's gone.

Nader could be good for depth, but with our wing depth, I don't see him getting any minutes unless something goes horribly wrong.

The more I think about it the more I think that the lineup that areo posted is what we will start the game with. I don't think Crowder will be happy coming off the bench, we need Smart to run the offense when IT goes out and Morris is more seasoned than Brown right now, plus we need his size to start games. To end games though, I think without a doubt the lineup will be IT, Smart, Hayward, Crowder and Horford.

Our depth won't be the most experienced but should be fine with Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele and Theis. I wouldn't mind trying to bring back Gerald Green or Jerebko on a minimum deal or trying to sign a cheap big like Bogut or Speights. There are RFA's that I like better, but I think they're going to end up being too expensive.

[tonybologna]

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James Young is playing for New Orleans in Summer League so he's gone.

Nader could be good for depth, but with our wing depth, I don't see him getting any minutes unless something goes horribly wrong.

The more I think about it the more I think that the lineup that areo posted is what we will start the game with. I don't think Crowder will be happy coming off the bench, we need Smart to run the offense when IT goes out and Morris is more seasoned than Brown right now, plus we need his size to start games. To end games though, I think without a doubt the lineup will be IT, Smart, Hayward, Crowder and Horford.

Our depth won't be the most experienced but should be fine with Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele and Theis. I wouldn't mind trying to bring back Gerald Green or Jerebko on a minimum deal or trying to sign a cheap big like Bogut or Speights. There are RFA's that I like better, but I think they're going to end up being too expensive.

Good post. I just seen on ESPN's NBA: The Jump that Boston has renounced the following: Olynyk, Jerebko, Gerald Green, & James Young. Waived Tyler Zeller. Why did we waste signing Zeller to that 3 year deal 2 years ago? It wasn't a cheap deal either.

I believe somewhere around $14-$16 million. He was really never given a chance. He had a decent season 3 years ago & after that we got Amir Johnson & Horford after that & he was nowhere to be seen on the court unless the games were blowouts.

That was a stupid move by Ainge or you could say that Zeller was stupid for taking the deal knowing in the past he wasn't getting that much playing time. I say stupid move by Ainge & not a problem in Zeller taking the deal myself. Now, we're left paying Zeller what he was guaranteed for that contract which should be somewhere in the $4-$5 million range for 2 more years.

If we hadn't done that then we would had no problem in keeping Bradley & not having to free up space to get Hayward. Oh well. We got it done without losing any big time player it appears but like I said I feel like Ainge isn't done dealing yet or making more moves via FA. Thanks.

[jeremym480]

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Good post. I just seen on ESPN's NBA: The Jump that Boston has renounced the following: Olynyk, Jerebko, Gerald Green, & James Young. Waived Tyler Zeller. Why did we waste signing Zeller to that 3 year deal 2 years ago? It wasn't a cheap deal either.

I believe somewhere around $14-$16 million. He was really never given a chance. He had a decent season 3 years ago & after that we got Amir Johnson & Horford after that & he was nowhere to be seen on the court unless the games were blowouts.

That was a stupid move by Ainge or you could say that Zeller was stupid for taking the deal knowing in the past he wasn't getting that much playing time. I say stupid move by Ainge & not a problem in Zeller taking the deal myself. Now, we're left paying Zeller what he was guaranteed for that contract which should be somewhere in the $4-$5 million range for 2 more years.

If we hadn't done that then we would had no problem in keeping Bradley & not having to free up space to get Hayward. Oh well. We got it done without losing any big time player it appears but like I said I feel like Ainge isn't done dealing yet or making more moves via FA. Thanks.

Zeller's contract was unguaranteed as long as he was waived before 7/2, which he was, so he had no bearing on losing AB.

The entire reason that Zeller was signed to the contract we was was so they could deal him with one or two their more attractive players since they were on small deals. The only reason he would have been valuable to other teams was because he essentially had an expiring contract.

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[tonybologna]

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Zeller's contract was unguaranteed as long as he was waived before 7/2, which he was, so he had no bearing on losing AB.

The entire reason that Zeller was signed to the contract we was was so they could deal him with one or two their more attractive players since they were on small deals. The only reason he would have been valuable to other teams was because he essentially had an expiring contract.

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I wasn't aware of the 1st part in bold. I really don't agree so much about the 2nd part in bold though. We didn't have to sign him for something like that. Obviously, it never panned out regardless of the reason for signing him to that type of money for 3 years.

[tonybologna]

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19947380/boston-celtics-plan-sign-center-aron-baynes

Do you guys like this move? I guess he can be part of what's probably going to be a pretty bad bench for us in 17-18. Surely we could have gotten a frontcourt player better than him to come off the bench. Oh well.

[jeremym480]

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I wasn't aware of the 1st part in bold. I really don't agree so much about the 2nd part in bold though. We didn't have to sign him for something like that. Obviously, it never panned out regardless of the reason for signing him to that type of money for 3 years.

Zeller never signed a three-year contract with Boston. When he was traded for he was one his rookie deal. Boston pickup up his option after his first year and extended as a RFA the next year. Last offseason was his first as an unrestricted FA and Boston had extra caproom after striking out on Durant, so they basically gave him a one-year balloon payment above market value and evened it out with a team option. Obviously, a trade never materialized but I believe he was signed as a trade chip first and foremost... and I'm not the only one who thought that not that it matters now anyway.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...er-aron-baynes

Do you guys like this move? I guess he can be part of what's probably going to be a pretty bad bench for us in 17-18. Surely we could have gotten a frontcourt player better than him to come off the bench. Oh well.

I love the signing. Baynes is a banger (which we really needed), can knock down 15-16 footers and is an excellent FT shooter. He should really help off of the bench and Baynes signing takes the pressure of off Zizic being asked to contribute from Day 1.

I think our bench will be fine and has the potential to be better than last season. Assuming the starters are IT, Hayward, Crowder, Morris, and Horford. Then are first five off of the bench should be Smart, Brown, Rozier, Tatum, and Baynes. The first three all another year under their belts, so theoretically they should be better. And the last two while they're much different players than the players they're replacing I'd take Tatum and Baynes over Olynyk and Jerebko.

If things remain the same, then the rest of the bench will be extremely inexperienced, however, I think both Yabusele and Zizic can be contributors this season and guys like Ojeleye, Theis, Nader and Jackson will be nice guys to have for depth (assuming all of them are either on the team or have two-way contracts). I wouldn't mind bringing back Gerald Green or signing another vet guard as long as their okay with a bench role.

I'm not sure that there was a better option out there that we could fit in with our contract situation.