Boxing Off-Topic

[pietasterp]

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As promised, here is a trip down memory lane with the hottest takes in this thread about Floyd/Conor. This is all in fun but this is what was said before the fight:
Agree. This is Thunderlips-vs-Rocky. - Pietasterp

I stand by this statement. It was never a comment on the relative merits of the fighters, but rather the fact that this was more spectacle than an actual legitimate bout. It seemed to provide entertainment for a lot of people so that's great, but I'm glad it's over with so that actual boxing can resume.

[Dave_S]

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If boxing fans want the fan base to grow it might help to not be so snobbish. Not so much here, but on other forums I've read the term "sweet science" a laughable amount of times.

I embrace boxers competing in mma, many other MMA fans do the same. From what I see the same can't be said about many boxing fans. Boxing is quite often a spectacle, without any outside influence.

[ggsimmonds]

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If boxing fans want the fan base to grow it might help to not be so snobbish. Not so much here, but on other forums I've read the term "sweet science" a laughable amount of times.

I embrace boxers competing in mma, many other MMA fans do the same. From what I see the same can't be said about many boxing fans. Boxing is quite often a spectacle, without any outside influence.

It is not just two guys throwing punches you know. There is a reason it is called the sweet science

[aholbert32]

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-Conor's power. No man, just no. I don't care who you are in the ring with, slap boxing is slap boxing. Yes, he landed a few clean strong shots, but as a whole? His power was underwhelming. Floyd is not made of iron, if Conor's punches had power Floyd would have stopped coming forward.

- Boxing vs MMA stamina. Its like football vs soccer. Soccer unquestionably has the greater cardio requirement, but that doesn't mean it is more physically demanding. Same thing here. When it comes to cardio, boxing has a greater requirement than mma. That doesn't mean it is more physically demanding though. Just like a NFL DE expends more energy rushing the passer than a soccer player does, a MMA guy expends more energy grappling than a boxer does. But over the course of a full bout, boxing requires more stamina.

-Yes, you cannot afford to give away rounds in mma, but that is not what I was alluding to. Floyd's strategy wasn't to give away rounds, the rounds were just a by product. His strategy was do nothing, invite Conor to hit him, then go after him after he tires. I wouldn't think a mma guy could afford to be so passive and inviting like Floyd was (not because of rounds, but because the risk of submission mostly)

- Just because every punch he throws isnt with full power doesnt mean he doesnt have power. He slap boxes when throwing combos in MMA but when he follows through, he tends to finish people. Now Floyd was a different case for a number of reasons. Different sport. Elite defensive skills. Easier sport to be defensive in.

Floyd moved forward regulalry against Berto and Ortiz and both of those guys have good power so I dont know if your "He wont move foward if he has decent power" theory works. Also, he wasnt moving forward in rounds 1-3 when Conor had full energy. If the power wasnt there, he wouldve started that earlier.

- I'll just agree to disagree here. The football vs. soccer analogy doesnt work because the structure of the sports are completely different. With these two sports the only major differences are the potential lengths of the rounds and the grappling aspect.

We only have two examples here: Conor was gassed after 4 rounds in boxing. James Toney (a person who REGULARLY fights 12 rounds with no major stamina issues) was completely gassed after 3:19 seconds of grappling against a all time great grappler. Now one example isnt enough to make a final statement but its all we have.

Now Conor (who gasses in MMA fights) and Toney arent the best examples of people with great stamina in combat sports. For as stamina taxing boxing can be, I can name a ton of MMA fighters (The Diazs, GSP etc.) who would be more than able to do 12 rounds without an issue.

- No the risk of submission has nothing to do with it. The only risk you have is your inactivity will give away rounds. As long as you have good/great takedown and submission defense, you can do nothing on your feet for as long as you want. You will lose rounds but its not like your inactivity will increase the chance of getting caught in a sub.

If anything activity leaves you more open because people can counter your strikes with takedowns.

[Money99]

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LOL, thought this was pretty funny:

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[sheredia]

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I stand by this statement. It was never a comment on the relative merits of the fighters, but rather the fact that this was more spectacle than an actual legitimate bout. It seemed to provide entertainment for a lot of people so that's great, but I'm glad it's over with so that actual boxing can resume.

i think it would have been much more entertaining if it stayed as an exhibition fight, which it should have been all along. to ask anybody to go 12 rounds with a boxing legend in their first professional boxing match is insane. to actually count this fight to floyd's record is ridiculous too. okay, give in to floyd on the boxing gloves but go a max of 8 rounds (which is equivalent to the same amount of time as a UFC match). so now MMA fans who might follow boxing now are gonna be wondering, if floyd can face conor at 154, why can't he face GGG at that same weight?

[pk500]

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Floyd looked as good as he did against Berto and Pac in my opinion.

No. His footwork wasn't nearly as good. Never used the shoulder roll, didn't move around the ring nearly as well.

Part of that was McGregor's unorthodox, yet effective, style. Part of it was Mayweather finally was showing his age.

Still, McGregor deserves all praise. He looked like an unorthodox, inexperienced boxer, not a complete clown. I would like to see him in the ring again, although it's unlikely.

To those questioning the stoppage, Robert Byrd was correct. McGregor was all but out on his feet and wasn't throwing any punches in return. The ref's job is to protect the fighter, not satisfy the blood-thirsty nature of fans who don't know much about boxing.

All in all, a very good night for boxing and MMA. A much better sporting event than I imagined.

Now it's time for the best fight that can be made in boxing: Canelo vs. GGG on Sept. 16. That's a legit, 50-50 fight among two top-10 pound-for-pound boxers. Can't wait!

[pk500]

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It is what it is. The fact is Conor won 3 rounds and most of yall were in here talking like Conor was going to trip and fall on his face the minute he walked in the ring. LOL.

Quite true. And I don't believe for a second anyone who thinks Mayweather let McGregor win those rounds on purpose to fatigue him, figure him out, etc.

Mayweather lost those rounds because McGregor still had stamina, was unorthodox AND effective.

[pk500]

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in hindsight, i think dana and conor made a critical error in the fight rules. they gave in to floyd on the boxing part, which is a given. but they should have used UFC rules of 3 (or 5) rounds (each 5 minutes) with 1 minute rest in between rounds. this would have given conor a much better chance with the fight duration and stamina part. also, making floyd adapt to something in favor of conor. i mean, a pro debut for a typical boxer is ONLY 4 ROUNDS, for pete's sake!!! to ask the guy to go 12 championship rounds in a pro debut is absolutely not fair. to be honest, paulie probably could have knocked out conor (if paulie was in fighting shape) if the fight was scheduled for 12. i think he even mentioned conor getting gassed after the 5th or 6th round. to have this fight count on floyd's record makes no sense at all. this fight under UFC round rules would have been an exhibition (which it should have been all along) and not counted against floyd's record.

Please. This was a boxing match, made with boxing rules. Mayweather was the A side and called the shots, as McGregor came to him to make the match.

Boxing rules. Belts on the line. 12 rounds. It was up to McGregor to get in shape to last 36 minutes in the ring, and he didn't. About the only thing he did wrong in this fight, though. Full credit to McGregor, who fared MUCH better than I imagined.

[pk500]

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I wish Floyd would have agreed to a MMA fight also. I know he would never do it as he would get destroyed, but Conor stepped up and met him in the ring so he should do the same.

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Why? Mayweather is the A side; he calls the shots.

Plus asking a boxer to jump into the octagon is even more ridiculous than the original idea of asking an MMA fighter to jump in the ring.

Striking is part of MMA. Kicks and the ground game are not part of boxing at all. At least McGregor has experience with striking. No elite boxer has any experience with kicking and the ground game.

Ridiculous request.

[pk500]

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It would be a sin to see him overtake Marciano's record with this victory.

And what "record" is that? He's far from the first fighter to go 50-0.

Hell, Julio Cesar Chavez was 87-0 before he drew with Pernell Whittaker in 1993. Mayweather has a LONG way to go before he makes "history."

[pk500]

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I don't think you truly understand what you're watching...

Are you suggesting they're elite? Please.

McGregor had a nice, stiff jab, which was surprising. He's a good counterpuncher, which we all knew. And his stance switch in the middle of a combination was nothing I've seen before -- very cool.

But his boxing skills were average, at best. Still, that's a hell of a lot better than I expected. He acquitted himself very well.

[pk500]

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Two judges gave Floyd a 10-8 round in the ninth.

Super Middleweight Special Event? So they fought at 168? (kidding) At least they got the date right.

I think Moretti's card was about right.

[pk500]

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That Cotto fight was brutal.

Kamegai is a tough mother****er, though.

Unbelievable. But sadly, that dude will drink dinner through a straw in about 20 years. What a warrior.

[pk500]

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But who could he legitimately beat and garner a huge payday? Pacqiauo? But even Pac can still throw his combinations with a little bit of power so I don't think McGregor could even handle him.

Much better to go back to the UFC and still get some nice money.

Mayweather has lost a few mph off his fastball. Pacquiao is shot. He looked like hell against Jeff Horn, who is a journeyman at best.