Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

[SHAKYR]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I don't see Floyd Fighting Canelo until his last or second to last fight. Floyd will never get his respect no matter who he fights. Floyd was on a lay-off and Guerrero has been fighting there shouldn't be any excuses for Guerrero not to look better.
I have seen champs of the past come off a lay off and look horrible against an opponent. People just hate how Floyd fights. They want his to bang and slug it out with his opponents which is stupid. You stay in the pocket too long a bum can get lucky. People need to go back and watch old fights of champs of the past.

[Money99]

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I don't see Floyd Fighting Canelo until his last or second to last fight. Floyd will never get his respect no matter who he fights. Floyd was on a lay-off and Guerrero has been fighting there shouldn't be any excuses for Guerrero not to look better.
I have seen champs of the past come off a lay off and look horrible against an opponent. People just hate how Floyd fights. They want his to bang and slug it out with his opponents which is stupid. You stay in the pocket too long a bum can get lucky. People need to go back and watch old fights of champs of the past.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I think the biggest reason people dislike Floyd isn''t necessarily his fighting style but rather his cocky demeanour and his penchant for meticulously hand-picking his opponents.

I think the fact that he never fought a prime Pac will forever haunt his career to the point where if he retires undefeated, many will add a self-imposed asterisk beside it.

[JayBee74]

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I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I think the biggest reason people dislike Floyd isn''t necessarily his fighting style but rather his cocky demeanour and his penchant for meticulously hand-picking his opponents.

I think the fact that he never fought a prime Pac will forever haunt his career to the point where if he retires undefeated, many will add a self-imposed asterisk beside it.

I don't really dislike Floyd anymore. A few things swung me around, not the least the Stephen A Smith interview. I have no problem with how he's handling the Canelo situation. Trout deserves that respect.

I'm not a fan though, and it is mostly his fighting style.

[LakerFan56]

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I don't really dislike Floyd anymore. A few things swung me around, not the least the Stephen A Smith interview. I have no problem with how he's handling the Canelo situation. Trout deserves that respect.

I'm not a fan though, and it is mostly his fighting style.

I starting hating Floyd back in 2006-07 because I thought he was ducking guys. No one can really make that argument any more because the divisions have been cleaned out. Who is left for him to fight? It's funny now that he has so many supporters because back in 2006 he had such a tiny fan base. I think more people were pulling for Zab Judah. Then when he beat DLH everything changed.

[Sundown2600]

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I'm trying to figure out who Floyd was ducking. When did this happen? I look at Floyd's resume and he has beaten some amazing fighters in his career. HOF fighters.

I remember ppl complaining about him ducking Antonio Margarito, the cheating piece of garbage he turned out to be. The Pac-Man thing I believe came down to a disagreement about the money split and promoter's interests being at odds.

So someone remind me who has this man ducked? We know Floyd loves money so if a fight doesn't make sense to him financially he's not gonna take it regardless of who the opponent is.

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I have stated in this forum, years ago.

Floyd is a top 10 p4p fighter of all time.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I'm trying to figure out who Floyd was ducking. When did this happen? I look at Floyd's resume and he has beaten some amazing fighters in his career. HOF fighters.

I remember ppl complaining about him ducking Antonio Margarito, the cheating piece of garbage he turned out to be. The Pac-Man thing I believe came down to a disagreement about the money split and promoter's interests being at odds.

So someone remind me who has this man ducked? We know Floyd loves money so if a fight doesn't make sense to him financially he's not gonna take it regardless of who the opponent is.

Depending if you can believe what was reported, apparently Manny gave in to all of Floyds demands, including random blood testing. But then Floyd changed his mind about the money split and the fight was called off again.

When Floyd first retired in late 2007, the division was booming.
Margarito was a monster, and Paul Williams was an absolute freakshow at 147.
Cotto, Mosley and even Clottey and Cintron were up there as well, with Berto on the rise.
I think people were really excited for Floyd to fight some of these guys, especially Williams.

Then he ducked Pac. Say what you want about money, etc, both guys would have been rich from this fight, even at a 50/50 split.
Mayweather, IMO, really hurt his legacy by allowing money to get in the way of a superfight.

JayBee, I'm with you. I used to hate him a lot, but now I've softened on him.

[blackceasar]

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Depending if you can believe what was reported, apparently Manny gave in to all of Floyds demands, including random blood testing. But then Floyd changed his mind about the money split and the fight was called off again.

When Floyd first retired in late 2007, the division was booming.
Margarito was a monster, and Paul Williams was an absolute freakshow at 147.
Cotto, Mosley and even Clottey and Cintron were up there as well, with Berto on the rise.
I think people were really excited for Floyd to fight some of these guys, especially Williams.

Then he ducked Pac. Say what you want about money, etc, both guys would have been rich from this fight, even at a 50/50 split.
Mayweather, IMO, really hurt his legacy by allowing money to get in the way of a superfight.

JayBee, I'm with you. I used to hate him a lot, but now I've softened on him.

Like I stated earlier as long as Flyod stays undefeated his brand lives. Everything that he is in and outside the ring, interviews, promotions, EVERYTHING about him that sells his fights and gets him those big PPV's are the fact that he's undefeated. As long as you're undefeated and have fought at least semi-worthy opponents, his brand lives. The minute he looses, his brand dies because even one loss on his record diminishes most of the things about him that he projects to the public. Therefore, he's been smart about who to fight and when to fight. I do believe he never wanted to fight Manny. I still think he would have won a close decision, but Pac was just too risky of a business move for him.

[blackceasar]

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I don't see Floyd Fighting Canelo until his last or second to last fight. Floyd will never get his respect no matter who he fights. Floyd was on a lay-off and Guerrero has been fighting there shouldn't be any excuses for Guerrero not to look better.
I have seen champs of the past come off a lay off and look horrible against an opponent. People just hate how Floyd fights. They want his to bang and slug it out with his opponents which is stupid. You stay in the pocket too long a bum can get lucky. People need to go back and watch old fights of champs of the past.

Guerro is in a long list of fighters recently that fought Mayweather and going into the first couple of rounds was really trying and wanting to win the fight. After Floyd figures them out and starts putting on his clinic that same fighter shifts his gears from laying it all out to beat Floyd to "let me just NOT get knocked out and get my biggest payday ever".

[seanhazz1]

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Floyd has won championship belts in multiple weight classes. Why is his legacy even a discussion? With the exception of Pacquiao, He fought who he had to. Haters want him knocking people out, not dotting their eyes and crossing their teeth, but that's his style.

He steps in believing he can't be hit and knowing he won't be knocked out, and executes the plan. He knocks out the bums and makes good boxers look bad. Other than the De La Hoya fight, every other fight has been a clinic resulting in a UD or a KO/TKO

Anyone who steps in the ring with him should know they are over matched, frustrated, and perplexed by his style.

To date, no one has been dumb enough to REALLY piss off his camp to the point he takes it out in the ring on them....but we'd all like to see that too, regardless.

[blackceasar]

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Floyd has won championship belts in multiple weight classes. Why is his legacy even a discussion? With the exception of Pacquiao, He fought who he had to. Haters want him knocking people out, not dotting their eyes and crossing their teeth, but that's his style.

He steps in believing he can't be hit and knowing he won't be knocked out, and executes the plan. He knocks out the bums and makes good boxers look bad. Other than the De La Hoya fight, every other fight has been a clinic resulting in a UD or a KO/TKO

Anyone who steps in the ring with him should know they are over matched, frustrated, and perplexed by his style.

To date, no one has been dumb enough to REALLY piss off his camp to the point he takes it out in the ring on them....but we'd all like to see that too, regardless.

I'm not doubting his greatness. I just think he's a really smart business man as well.

It's like you almost have give each boxer a grade on a 1-10 scale when they are fighting other boxers. Then you have to give them a different grade when they are in the ring with Maywether. Its like you have to make the rating relative. Mosley, Cotto, Oscar and the likes when they are in the ring witih anyone thats NOT Floyd Mayweather, those boxers on still are 9's and 10's. When they are in the ring with Floyd they are more like 6's and 7's.

It's possible there are a couple of fighters out there, or have been out there than would actually be a 9 or 10 even when they get into the ring with Mayweather, and those are the same boxers for whatever reason the fight didnt happen or wont happen.

Again, hes SMART. And I don't mean that sarcastically. Why get into the ring with someone that might be a 9 or 10 in there with you, when there are enough boxers out there that the PUBLIC percieves to be a 9 or 10 on most days, but you know they are only a 6 or 7 when they get in the ring with you in particular. This is how you stay undefeated, make a ton of money, and people CANT fully make the argument that you havent really fought anyone. He's smart. I cant knock his hustle.

And at the age he's at now... he's already secured his legacy as probably the greatest boxer or this time period/generation. He fought great fighters than just arent great when they are in the ring with him. So that gave him mucho crediblity. And he did this his whole career and now he's older, even if he were to loose a fight before he retires, people will always be able to say "well all boxers eventually slow down." He is now in the PERFECT situation for himself. If he puts on a clinic like he did the other night, he gets extra props for being 36 and still wipping people like he's 26.. and should he loose, whoever beats him at 36, 37, 38 will NEVER get full credit.

[LakerFan56]

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When Floyd first retired in late 2007, the division was booming.
Margarito was a monster, and Paul Williams was an absolute freakshow at 147.
Cotto, Mosley and even Clottey and Cintron were up there as well, with Berto on the rise.
I think people were really excited for Floyd to fight some of these guys, especially Williams.

You beat me to it. When he "retired" and still had all those guys left in the table it really got a lot of boxing fans and media against him. What made people mad was Mayweather saying he had nothing left to prove. Paul Williams had beaten Margarito too and a lot of fans wanted to see Mayweather fight him but it never happened. On the other hand you had Pacquiao fighting Morales, Barrera and Marquez and taking the hard fights moving up. To his credit, Hatton was a legit contender and Mayweather KO'd him which was impressive.

A lot of people have argued that ducking these guys was a smart business move but I dont agree with that. I just wanted to see him fight these guys back then to watch good matches.

[JayBee74]

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Khan on Floyd:

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[LakerFan56]

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Khan on Floyd:

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I can see why Roy Jones and Malignaggi would say Kahn would have a chance against Mayweather. Kahn does have the hand speed to hang with Floyd, but I don't know if he can go 12 rounds without getting tagged and KO'd.

[JayBee74]

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I can see why Roy Jones and Malignaggi would say Kahn would have a chance against Mayweather. Kahn does have the hand speed to hang with Floyd, but I don't know if he can go 12 rounds without getting tagged and KO'd.

His chin is nonexistent.