Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

[Kashanova]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I agree with Rob,

Canelo might not ever have a payday this big in his career, he should take advantage of it and fight at the catchweight. If this fight gets made I'd be very surprised. I'm sure Canelo's power is in Mayweather's head.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I don't know. I'd be less interested in seeing a weakened Canelo fighting. Floyd is successful at 154...
don't change the rules now.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

Floyd has won championship belts in multiple weight classes. Why is his legacy even a discussion? With the exception of Pacquiao, He fought who he had to. Haters want him knocking people out, not dotting their eyes and crossing their teeth, but that's his style.

He steps in believing he can't be hit and knowing he won't be knocked out, and executes the plan. He knocks out the bums and makes good boxers look bad. Other than the De La Hoya fight, every other fight has been a clinic resulting in a UD or a KO/TKO

Anyone who steps in the ring with him should know they are over matched, frustrated, and perplexed by his style.

To date, no one has been dumb enough to REALLY piss off his camp to the point he takes it out in the ring on them....but we'd all like to see that too, regardless.

A shot and old DLH was beating him over 9 rounds. But I do give credit to Floyd for hanging with him at 154, which isn't Floyd's natural weight.

And I don't care what anyone says, he lost to Castillo in their first fight.
But again, I have to give credit to JR for giving him a rematch.

Floyd is a magnificant boxer, but I don't believe he has the skills to really punish anyway.
He lacks power and his hands are very brittle. Floyd hasn't had finishing skills for a decade now.
He still has the ability to make a guy look foolish, but I don't think his opponents fear him in the traditional sense like a Haglar, Tyson or Liston did.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I don't know. I'd be less interested in seeing a weakened Canelo fighting. Floyd is successful at 154...
don't change the rules now.

Did Canelo looked weakened against Trout? Canelo's been at 154 since 2010. He's learned how to make that cut. Floyd has only fought at 154 twice. One was against Oscar when Oscar couldnt make 147 anymore and had the negotiating leverage. The second was against Cotto and resulted in the toughest fight he's had in years. Floyd is a 147 pounder.

I see no reason why Floyd should fight someone who will weigh 20 pounds more at fight time and has no leverage. We have no evidence that Canelo is a PPV draw. He's never headlined a PPV. Canelo's name is huge in Mexico but had zero recognition in the states. We have no evidence that his name will bring in PPV buys (He will definetly help ticket sales but mexican figvhters always bring in big crowds during Mex. independence weekend.) Canelo's english is poor so he wont be able to do much US media to promote the fight. Also hurts "All-Access "because they have to use subtitles and americans hate subtitles.

What does Canelo actually bring to the table? If Floyd beats him most will say that he was too green and hadnt really fought anyone (His biggest win is over Trout. His next two are over shot fighters like Mosely and Cintron). If Floyd loses, he loses the thing that means most to him, his undefeated record.

[N51_rob]

Exactly Floyd has all the negotiating leverage if Canelo wants to fight Floyd he will be making some concessions. Namely on weight and post weigh in rehydration.

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[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

A shot and old DLH was beating him over 9 rounds. But I do give credit to Floyd for hanging with him at 154, which isn't Floyd's natural weight.

And I don't care what anyone says, he lost to Castillo in their first fight.
But again, I have to give credit to JR for giving him a rematch.

Floyd is a magnificant boxer, but I don't believe he has the skills to really punish anyway.
He lacks power and his hands are very brittle. Floyd hasn't had finishing skills for a decade now.
He still has the ability to make a guy look foolish, but I don't think his opponents fear him in the traditional sense like a Haglar, Tyson or Liston did.

I realize you don't like Floyd. But please stop making things up.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

I realize you don't like Floyd. But please stop making things up.

You can send me an apology via PM. Thanks!

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

You can send me an apology via PM. Thanks!

You're looking for an apology for what exactly?

7-5, 8-4 and a "5-7".

Did you even watch the fight?

By your statement, Floyd had to rally at the end and steal the match from DLH which is false and absurd.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

You're looking for an apology for what exactly?

7-5, 8-4 and a "5-7".

Did you even watch the fight?

By your statement, Floyd had to rally at the end and steal the match from DLH which is false and absurd.

Money99's statement isnt technically wrong. He said DLH was winning after 9 rounds and according to the cards he was. Two judges had Oscar up 5-4 after the 9th. I happen to think those judges were wrong but it is what it is.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

Did Canelo looked weakened against Trout? Canelo's been at 154 since 2010. He's learned how to make that cut. Floyd has only fought at 154 twice. One was against Oscar when Oscar couldnt make 147 anymore and had the negotiating leverage. The second was against Cotto and resulted in the toughest fight he's had in years. Floyd is a 147 pounder.

I see no reason why Floyd should fight someone who will weigh 20 pounds more at fight time and has no leverage. We have no evidence that Canelo is a PPV draw. He's never headlined a PPV. Canelo's name is huge in Mexico but had zero recognition in the states. We have no evidence that his name will bring in PPV buys (He will definetly help ticket sales but mexican figvhters always bring in big crowds during Mex. independence weekend.) Canelo's english is poor so he wont be able to do much US media to promote the fight. Also hurts "All-Access "because they have to use subtitles and americans hate subtitles.

What does Canelo actually bring to the table? If Floyd beats him most will say that he was too green and hadnt really fought anyone (His biggest win is over Trout. His next two are over shot fighters like Mosely and Cintron). If Floyd loses, he loses the thing that means most to him, his undefeated record.

So we're asking Canelo to weaken himself and fight at a disadvantage because he might not be that big of a draw (very disputable) and/or because Floyd has all the leverage and/or because Alvarez won't get a better financial deal.

In other words the game is in my house. You will do what I say or you won't get paid.

Maybe Floyd doesn't really want this fight? Possibility?

Floyd is a 147 pounder.

I can appreciate that. Just admit that it would be very tough to beat Alvarez at 154.

like he'd do it

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

You're looking for an apology for what exactly?

7-5, 8-4 and a "5-7".

Did you even watch the fight?

By your statement, Floyd had to rally at the end and steal the match from DLH which is false and absurd.

I didn't see either Castillo fight, but I might now just out of curiosity. Oscar lost, but I've said it before...the dude might have won that fight if he abandoned the extra weight training....it slowed him down.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

Money99's statement isnt technically wrong. He said DLH was winning after 9 rounds and according to the cards he was. Two judges had Oscar up 5-4 after the 9th. I happen to think those judges were wrong but it is what it is.

Thank-you!
My statement was that DLH was leading after 9.
bigeastbumrush, you questioned my statement and my integrity by claiming I was lying.

And where did I state that DLH was dominating, or putting on a clinic???
I'll gladly stand by and wait for that proof while I'm waiting for my apology.

By your statement, Floyd had to rally at the end and steal the match from DLH which is false and absurd.

No, not by MY statement but by 2 of the judges scorecards, Floyd DID have to rally to win that fight.

Your opinion nor mine, have no bearing here.
Was DLH ahead after 9 rounds? YES HE WAS.
Therefore I was telling the truth and you were wrong for calling me a liar.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

So we're asking Canelo to weaken himself and fight at a disadvantage because he might not be that big of a draw (very disputable) and/or because Floyd has all the leverage and/or because Alvarez won't get a better financial deal.

In other words the game is in my house. You will do what I say or you won't get paid.

Maybe Floyd doesn't really want this fight? Possibility?



I can appreciate that. Just admit that it would be very tough to beat Alvarez at 154.

like he'd do it

If its "very disputable"...DISPUTE IT. How many PPV's has he headlined? How much money has he drawn? He drew a big number in Texas which was impressive but that doesnt mean that he's well known throughout the country and can sell a PPV.

So Floyd who is the primary draw, can generate a million ppv buys without Canelo and has other fight options should not use that leverage to negotiate the fight? What world do you live in? This is how the fight game works. This is how Oscar got Floyd to fight at 154. That is how Pac forced Cotto to fight at a catchweight. Thats how it works and Floyd isnt the first or last fighter to do that.

What is the "weakened" stuff? No one has ever said the Canelo fight had to be at 147. It could be at 154. Floyd's team (rightfully so) is concerned about what Canelo rehydrates to. They want a limit on that so Floyd isnt fighting a light heavyweight at fight time (Canelo was rumored to weigh 175 when he fought Trout). Whats next? Are we going to expect Floyd to fight middleweights now?

Canelo would be a tough fight but because he is a naturally stronger and bigger fighter. Thats doesnt mean Floyd is scared or doesnt want the fight.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

Thank-you!
My statement was that DLH was leading after 9.
bigeastbumrush, you questioned my statement and my integrity by claiming I was lying.

And where did I state that DLH was dominating, or putting on a clinic???
I'll gladly stand by and wait for that proof while I'm waiting for my apology.



No, not by MY statement but by 2 of the judges scorecards, Floyd DID have to rally to win that fight.

Your opinion nor mine, have no bearing here.
Was DLH ahead after 9 rounds? YES HE WAS.
Therefore I was telling the truth and you were wrong for calling me a liar.

And I said nothing about dominating or clinic either. I take back the absurd remark. Maybe I should've googled it like you instead of going off of memory..

No need to check your PMs BTW.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero

And I said nothing about dominating or clinic either. I take back the absurd remark. Maybe I should've googled it like you instead of going off of memory..

No need to check your PMs BTW.

LOL! No problems. We're cool.
Cheers!