What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

[Bigg Cee]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

STANDING TKO'S AGAINST THE CAGE.

This needs to be at the top of UFC 3 Stand Up list!!!

I don't want this to get burried, and I want them to know this is a huge add on they need to do to make the stand up so much better and not always have to go for the flying knockout and make it so ppl can't hold block in that type of scenerio.

[tissues250]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

STANDING TKO'S AGAINST THE CAGE.


This needs to be at the top of UFC 3 Stand Up list!!!

THIS!!!!!!!!!!
+ the cage interaction KO animation and we should possible continue to attack in that time like bottom gifs. also, the ref realistic stoppage animation. This is major thing of my list.

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Striking into seated position and too many unanswered shots can cause a ref to step in like on the ground- standing tkos would be replicated decently. This is especially where mobility on the ground is important; being able to scoot and move on a micro level like we can in striking range.

Also in seatbelt there should be subs from submissive (/body triangle) seatbelt like cross ankle locks or calf slicers etc

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

My view on how to implement hand fighting at a basic level with standing arm traps:

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Holding punch would extend the arm out as probe/paw to gauge distance and initiate clinch within range.


Coming within range of a prone opponent with a probe can initiate a inside head trap, aiming low a standing arm trap/wrist clinch. So lead probe/paw can result in a inside head trap, lead to lead wrist clinch (inside arm trap), lead to rear wrist clinch (in and out arm trap), and single collar tie etc.


Extending rear arm and within range initiates a mirror outside head trap or a rear to rear wrist clinch (outside arm trap). To perform a rear to lead wrist clinch (out and in arm trap) etc just add the technique modifier.


So for example say the opponent extends their lead paw, you can extend your own to time a parry for an opportunity to counter or clinch, push forward and result in a single collar tie, or push away and reset etc (+the clinch defense stance is crucial in all this as it's analogous to the TDD stance)


Manually positioning your arm from lead/rear wrist clinch to inside/outside head trap to single collar tie to thai clinch to 2 on 1 wrist clinch (double arm trap) etc


Isolate 2 on 1 grips lead to lead wrist clinch simultaneously rear to lead wrist clinch and the resulting whips, trips, pushes, pulls etc.
Faking a 2 on 1 wrist clinch to uppercut


Bait opponents into clinch and occupy their defense.


Also if you combine probes with TDs you can perform knee taps, ankle picks, trips etc.


Head trap; lining up power shots- probing range


Feigning knockdown/guard pull


Technique pull for advanced feints, cancels, and set ups


Matador charging opponents with inside head trap from where you can push, pull, tilt, turn your opponent into your shots or just maneuver for position etc.


Clinch lead paw 2 on 1 wrist clinch to out leverage them or parry it aside, or move forward into single collar tie which diminishes the opponents clear shot the head trap provides and lands both fighters in the neutral position of single collar tie (dueling head and arm traps).


So you can transition from lead paw to inside head trap and rear probe to rear to rear wrist clinch to a single collar tie etc. Likewise say you obtain inside head trap you can position your rear as an underhook/overhook or a wrist clinch/neck/high crotch etc as available positional transitions and proceed to work for trips, subs, strikes etc

[Marginal0]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

A takedown ending against the cage that has the opponent sitting with their back against the cage, where there's the option for the offensive fighter to hit the guillotine or club the back of the opponent in control.

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

• Striking in and out of subs & sub into sub reversals
• Clinch punch health events & parries

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The single plum tie/half thai clinch/head trap/head control would be critical in adding depth.


Knee on belly as a dom postured up side control position


Parrying probe/paw


Deep single


Calf slicer


Deep half, dom darce


Grapevine from kimura grip


Stuns from clinch punches


Straight arm lock


Triangle elbows (strikes in subs)


Mount sweep & mount guard positions


Single leg into single leg reversal


Switch grip takedowns

[Evil97]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Please add butt flop and butt scoot please.

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Any possible additions in the up coming patches?:

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Limb damage should carry through, a red right arm should mean slower weaker shots from the right arm etc


An actual truck position for twisters, banana splits etc


Grapevine position


Inverted Bulldog


High Mount akin to flattened back mount + quarter guard (defense)


Catching subs off stuns


Reverse Crucifix


Kneebar from back mount


Backtake


RNC from back side control/turtle


Kimura/hammerlock sweep


Subs clinched against cage


Omoplata sweeps and submission positions (like full blown triangle position etc)


Seated position with takedown/clinch/rocked/ground entries (UFC3 used to have this as well)


Calf slicer from turtle


TD Charge


Non strike catch arm trap


Scooting for ground mobility + grounded knees


50/50 guard + grapevine leading to knee bar


More mobility on the ground, you should be able to drive grounded opponents to and away from the cage and fighters on the bottom should be able to scoot to cage and wall-walk etc (undisputed had this as well)


Plus grappling specialists should be able to scoot on their back so they are not paralyzed in one place parrying kicks


Clinch whip into right (Clinch punches with stun/finish health event potential)


Head trap/half thai clinch/head control/single plum tie/non-neutral single collar tie

Next patch DLC fighters hopefully being Brock Lesnar, Lorenz Larkin, Mickey Gall, Bryan Barberena, [Will Brooks (if he signs)]

[kman192]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Seated against the cage. (Would actually make the over/under getup here go to seated, then to over/under.) Body lock with the head pressing into their chin. As well as using the shoulder to press them in to the cage to restrict their breathing. This has a chance for the opponent to elbow though, as well as attempt a guillotine. Both should have the guillotine available here though.

If they make the seated against the cage position u should be able to ko someone from this position if on top. Same goes for the double leg position against thee cage the defender should be able to launch elbows and ko the person going for the takedown like Browne vs Barnett

[Ksearyback]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Some are positions and some are transitions that could add more dynamic gameplay (especially for certain fighters who prefer specific Positions)

- knee on belly
- z guard (half guard but not flattened out, using top knee shield again their sternum for distance and control
- butterfly guard
- half butterfly guard
- it's uncommon for mma but 50/50 would be fun so leg locks can be a bigger part of the ground game
- hip switch half guard (when you can't get far side under hook, you ditch the cross face and switch hips so the bottom player is now looking at your back). This is controlling and sets up an entire kimura sequence of attacks)
^ the above half guard variation sets up fun transitions and submissions like truck, ninja rolls, calf slicers, twister, or simply coming up to a leg drag
- 100 kilos for side control, well, control
- Shawn Williams rubber guard variation
- passes that don't require standing (Wilson Reiss or Tozi pass for example)
- back step passes to set up more leg locks (I.e., the honey hole position people love so much right now)
- Unfair 50/50 guard is fun. Think half guard but the (normally) free leg is actually trapped on the same side of the body as the other leg (which is locked down). This creates sweeps and rolling calf slicers after a sweep, or just a leg drag pass off the sweep
- would love more leg lock entries

I'm sure I'll think of more... And sorry for those already mentioned

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

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[Ksearyback]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Some other positions to add to my last post.

-smash passing. While stack passing was added, it's more situational in this game. You should be able to initiate a stack pass, over/under pass, knee drive, and tozi/Wilson reiss pass

Speed passes: include leg drags when players put feet on hips to get up.

-Turtle: player in turtle should have the option to shell up, avoiding hooks. Also this player should have an arm trap reversal and a rolling kneebar if top player has his legs out of position.
-> top player should have the option for a wrestlers cross grip on the far ankle to avoid flame thrower and other escapes (in other words more control, or force them to sit back into a guard)

-Half guard top player should be able to toe hold
-Double leg lock battles. Happens all the time (both roll for toe holds etc.)
- I saw it mentioned previously, and while x guard isn't really efficient in mma, there are things to do from 1 leg x. Sweeps and straight ankles immediately come to mind. (That same thread post mentioned spider guard, but not sure how you would play spider without a gi)
- I would like to see deep half added. While you give up a lot on the defensive side, there are numerous high% sweeps. You can immediately hit a knee bar as well. Also, deep half animation would allow that escape from being back mounted if the opponent doesn't establish over/under
-arm trap from back mount
-ability to weaken, break, and attack body triangle. Most start with being able to move the control toward the feet. You could add the low% foot attack from there

-reverse de la riva. Not common in mma but is a common way to stop the knee slice, and an offensive element could be added with a kiss of the dragon back take so it's a balance position off a guard pass

-over/under leg lace (outside heel hook position) set ups can be added from several positions and would once again introduce more layering with dynamic leg lock opportunities.

**If you read both of my posts, you'll notice I've thought about ways to add more leg locks. This would separate the submission fighters as primary joint/choke or leg lock guys the way we see strikers often favor the hands or feet over one another. Right now the game, in large part, ignores 50% of nogi attacks

[derekwade111]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Body triangle and also ability to throw Travis Browne elbows after denying clinch or takedown near cage

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[Mg202]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

Right. Agreed

[johnmangala]

Re: What grappling positions are not in EA UFC 2 that you wish were included?

This UFC199 card already has several notable techniques, I'll compile a few gifs after the final







Paw clinching strikes

+ since Lesnar is returning