Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I didn't state it was. It's clear your stance is set and anyone with a difference of opinion seems to be attacked with the brute forcing of your ideals. Options are better for players.


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They literally aren't aware of how they are being perceived by other people. You can't convince them either.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I didn't state it was.

Neither did I.

It's clear your stance is set

Projection much?

anyone with a difference of opinion seems to be attacked with the brute forcing of your ideals. Options are better for players.

What's up with this victim mentality? Nobody's attacking you.

I'm just expressing my opinion on certain facts while challenging yours. If you don't agree with what I said, feel free to tell me in detail why you think I'm wrong. That way we can have a productive back and forth.

That's the whole point of a topic like this.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

What's up with this victim mentality? Nobody's attacking you.

I'm just expressing my opinion and challenging yours. If you don't agree with what I said, feel free to tell me in detail so we can have a productive back and forth. You know, the whole point of a topic like this.

Going to illuminate this for you, not in an insulting way but you seem to be in the majority opinion on most of the topics on here (which is fine) so you probably haven't experienced this.

If you post a dissenting opinion on here, even if it's only a little worry or a few lines of disagreement, you're fairly likely to get 5-6 people responding with long comments explaining why they think you're wrong and why they think their idea is better. Obviously, no individual is attacking anyone, but being so severely outnumbered, where you respond to part of one persons comment and get 6 replies back from several people can often feel a bit like a dogpile, even if none of those replies are particularly abrasive or rude. Which is why I rarely engage in discussions that I fall outside the majority opinion on, because it's just not at all enjoyable to have basically the same discussion with 6 different people all at once.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

Going to illuminate this for you, not in an insulting way but you seem to be in the majority opinion on most of the topics on here (which is fine) so you probably haven't experienced this.

If you post a dissenting opinion on here, even if it's only a little worry or a few lines of disagreement, you're fairly likely to get 5-6 people responding with long comments explaining why they think you're wrong and why they think their idea is better. Obviously, no individual is attacking anyone, but being so severely outnumbered, where you respond to part of one persons comment and get 6 replies back from several people can often feel a bit like a dogpile, even if none of those replies are particularly abrasive or rude.

I understand that. But I don't see why this is a bad thing.

If you express a view that someone passionately disagrees with, why wouldn't they say something? More importantly, why would you want them to stay quiet?

I'm comfortable in my views and (feel like I) can defend just about anything I'm saying with proper reasoning, logic and evidence if need be. Why would the amount of people who disagree with me matter at all at that point? I'd be happy to take them all on.

There's a few things that could happen if I do:

1) I convince a few if not all of them.
- Great, more people on my side

2) They convince me.
- Great, I learned something new

3) Nobody convinces anybody.
- Great, we have a better understanding of the opposing view

4) The opposing side can't make a single sound argument and turns it into a **** show
- Great, now I know whose posts I don't have to bother taking too seriously in the future

Where are the downsides?

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This constant high horse mentality and besmirching of people who haven't done anything but express their views, simply because they're the majority is a bit ridiculous.

Unless someone's personally attacking you, I think you guys just need thicker skin and/or less of an ego.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

Most people avoid conflict and arguing with a bunch of people is exhausting.

Not much else to say. He doesnt think it’s worth the effort

[Nugget7211]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I understand that. But I don't see why this is a bad thing.

If you express a view that someone passionately disagrees with, why wouldn't they say something? More importantly, why would you want them to stay quiet?

I'm comfortable in my views and (feel like I) can defend just about anything I'm saying with proper reasoning, logic and evidence if need be. Why would the amount of people who disagree with me matter at all at that point? I'd be happy to take them all on.

There's a few things that could happen if I do:

1) I convince a few if not all of them.
- Great, more people on my side

2) They convince me.
- Great, I learned something new

3) Nobody convinces anybody.
- Great, we have a better understanding of the opposing view

4) The opposing side can't make a single sound argument and turns it into a **** show
- Great, now I know whose posts I don't have to bother taking too seriously in the future

Where are the downsides?

For me personally, I don't enjoy arguing with groups, it's almost impossible because they just see the other 4-5 people reinforcing their view and the 1 person disagreeing and a lot of the time dismiss anything out of hand because they're in the majority. I'm not saying you would do this, all I'm saying is that I've had this experience a lot and it makes me really hate arguing against groups, so I don't do it. Can't speak for other people obviously, but that's why I'm unlikely to disagree on here, it just isn't fun at all to have the same argument with 6 different dudes at the same time.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

For me personally, I don't enjoy arguing with groups, it's almost impossible because they just see the other 4-5 people reinforcing their view and the 1 person disagreeing and a lot of the time dismiss anything out of hand because they're in the majority.

I understand. But what I'm saying is that the "group" isn't fault here. They're just individuals expressing their opinion, just like you are.

Can't speak for other people obviously, but that's why I'm unlikely to disagree on here, it just isn't fun at all to have the same argument with 6 different dudes at the same time.

I'd say, pick one person you're going to argue with and make it clear that that's what you're doing. There's no obligation to reply to all of them at the same time, especially if they're expressing the same views. That's what I do anyway.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I understand. But what I'm saying is that the "group" isn't fault here. They're just individuals expressing their opinion, just like you are.



I'd say, pick one person you're going to argue with and make it clear that that's what you're doing. There's no obligation to reply to all of them at the same time, especially if they're expressing the same views. That's what I do anyway.

I didn't mean to imply that the group where at fault or malicious, which is why I don't complain about this very often, or at all really, because there's nothing that needs fixed. No one is being an *******, no one is being rude or dismissive, it's just not worth the effort since you're so extremely unlikely to convince someone and it's not an enjoyable experience. Even doing what you suggest doesn't make it fun for me, because I feel bad about ignoring people haha

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I didn't mean to imply that the group where at fault or malicious, which is why I don't complain about this very often, or at all really, because there's nothing that needs fixed. No one is being an *******, no one is being rude or dismissive, it's just not worth the effort since you're so extremely unlikely to convince someone and it's not an enjoyable experience. Even doing what you suggest doesn't make it fun for me, because I feel bad about ignoring people haha

Oh, then we don't really disagree at all.

I personally don't mind having a minority view because I enjoy discussions, but I understand that's a personal thing.

The thing I don't like (which I thought you were defending for a second) is when people pretend they're somehow being attacked or treated unfairly when no such thing is happening at all.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

Oh, then we don't really disagree at all.

I personally don't mind having a minority view because I enjoy discussions, but I understand that's a personal thing.

The thing I disagree with (which I thought you were defending) is when people pretend they're somehow being attacked or treated unfairly when none of that is happening.

No one is intentionally attacking each other (except, I really think that was debatable during the last few posts your car chase-esque rundown of Solid). People just don't realize how aggressive they're coming off. There's a lot of, "I don't know how anyone could dare think differently than I do. . . and here's why" going on in these topics.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

The thing I don't like (which I thought you were defending for a second) is when people pretend they're somehow being attacked or treated unfairly when no such thing is happening at all.

I understand feeling attacked though, especially if it happens in multiple threads. Like, as an example, if Solid came out and said "I feel attacked", I would totally get that, even though I don't think he's being attacked.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

No one is intentionally attacking each other (except, I really think that was debatable during the last few posts your car chase-esque rundown of Solid).

People have actually attacked Altair. But me asking followup questions is not an example of that.

I'm asking questions because I'm genuinely trying to understand where he's coming from. He does the same thing to me (and others) when he doesn't understand what the opposing argument or position is.

Why do you consider that hostile behavior?

There's a lot of, "I don't know how anyone could ̶d̶a̶r̶e̶ think differently than I do. . . and here's why" going on in these topics.

I crossed out one word. I think that's more accurate and not really hostile at all.

Altair does not understand why people would argue in favor of removing meters, he likes them for reasons X, Y & Z. I hold the exact opposite position. Isn't it possible for us to debate one another passionately without being considered hostile?

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

I just don't understand the "I need to know exactly when to attack my opponent by way of meters argument.". That's exactly why we're trying to stray away from them by removing them.

The game should not be reduced to even 50% meter watching. It should primarily be watching your opponent, keeping a tally as far as where and when you think your opponent is hurt.

Removing meters allows me to get on a bicycle after a light rock and trick my opponent into thinking I'm much more damaged than I actually am setting up a spectacular counter finish.

What's the point of having different types of rocks if my opponent can easily see that my block meter is still full, and that my stamina meter barely went down? They don't pounce because they can see my information, and I can't deceive them with it.

However when I am rocked they (stamina depleted, block meter depleted) they know to jump on and there is little to no penalty for them to do so at that point. A grade schooler can figure out when to jump on and when not to with the crutch meters.

Bottom line the opponents meters need to be hidden in ranked period. With them on the stand-up doesn't shine like it should and efforts of different tiers of rocks are wasted. Most importantly the psychological aspect of fighting (the hardest thing to emulate) is completely lost in favor of a Tekken style system of absolute certainty.

If you lack the ability to adapt and make educated assessments of where your opponent is at during a fight then you're not as good as you think you are.

Make the change - period.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

People have actually attacked Altair. But me asking followup questions is not an example of that.

I'm asking questions because I'm genuinely trying to understand where he's coming from. He does the same thing to me (and others) when he doesn't understand what the opposing argument or position is.

Why do you consider that hostile behavior?

Whether you admit it or not, you had nothing more to gain from that line of questioning (by your own admission) but you still did it because I believe you weren't interested in his side. You wanted him to admit he was wrong underneath the guise of "I just wanna know why he thinks that way". You already got your answer 7 times over.

We're really spinning the wheels here, so I'm sure you're going to question my mind reading capabilities and the cycle will continue. So, I'm going to take a bit of my own advice here and **** off. Call it condescension or hostility or whatever, but my perspective shows me that you aren't capable of seeing your own flaws/part in this whole ordeal. Your perspective obviously shows the same towards me.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Opponent's health, guard and stamina meter bars should be hidden, do you agree?

If you lack the ability to adapt and make educated assessments of where your opponent is at during a fight then you're not as good as you think you are.

Make the change - period.

This is my exact point. DaisukEasy seems to think that everyone is exclusively talking about him (at least me). I'm not. This guy I'm quoting is one of the main offenders. Coming from someone who proclaims themselves the "undisputed" submission king of a game that isn't even out yet reveals his egotistical designs. He rejects any and all debate and ends his post with, "Make the cahnge - period". No room for debate or discussion, this guy is right and if you think otherwise, you're a **** player. That is hostility.