Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

[Serengeti1]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Walkin forward holdin blocks would open up leg kicks. I also love dudes who try to duck in on me.

1-3 or 3-5 all day

I'd time the leg kick (which is very easy to do if already on the inside) and duck/upper/hook. I do this all the time to people who try and kick while I'm in their face. Throwing hooks and uppercuts back isn't the solution I was looking for as that's continuing the process of fighting on the inside. If you manage to do that and create distance for some time then okay but if you're forced to fight on the inside then it's not the solution I'm looking for.

I'm totally open to being wrong but the easiest way to prove I am is for someone to fight me and try and employ an outside fighting strategy. Videos and stuff will always lead to people saying "this guy could have done this" or "this guy could have done that". I get you're on xbox tho so you can't.

It'll be a learning experience for the both of us hopefully... Someone step up!

[Phillyboi207]

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I'd time the leg kick (which is very easy to do if already on the inside) and duck/upper/hook. I do this all the time to people who try and kick while I'm in their face. Throwing hooks and uppercuts back isn't the solution I was looking for as that's continuing the process of fighting on the inside. If you manage to do that and create distance for some time then okay but if you're forced to fight on the inside then it's not the solution I'm looking for.

I'm totally open to being wrong but the easiest way to prove I am is for someone to fight me and try and employ an outside fighting strategy. Videos and stuff will always lead to people saying "this guy could have done this" or "this guy could have done that". I get you're on xbox tho so you can't.

It'll be a learning experience for the both of us hopefully... Someone step up!

Nah you time the kick for when the opp is still on the outside. I throw right as you walk into range. Then circle out against your weak side.

If you start checkin leg kicks i’ll mix in straights and overhands.

The most important thing is staying at the end of or outside of range. Then I tag you and dash out.

I wish you were on xbox tho lol.

[Serengeti1]

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Nah you time the kick for when the opp is still on the outside. I throw right as you walk into range. Then circle out against your weak side.

If you start checkin leg kicks i’ll mix in straights and overhands.

The most important thing is staying at the end of or outside of range. Then I tag you and dash out.

I wish you were on xbox tho lol.

I just don't know how successful this is against someone who knows what they're doing. It's never a good idea to kick going backwards as they come out much slower and if I was pressuring you... you would be. A leg kick is never going to stop me pressing forward holding high block either. Eventually you'd have no choice but to resort to a brawl.

[Phillyboi207]

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I just don't know how successful this is against someone who knows what they're doing. It's never a good idea to kick going backwards as they come out much slower and if I was pressuring you... you would be. A leg kick is never going to stop me pressing forward holding high block either. Eventually you'd have no choice but to resort to a brawl.

You’re misunderstanding

I stop before I throw. I try not to fight going backwards. Fighting on the outside doesnt mean you always avoid every exchange.

And i have a friend that’s pretty good that I fight regularly as well. He was Div 6 with a great win % last year.

I’ll just post my videos when I get home. You can judge for yourself if im any good.

[Serengeti1]

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You’re misunderstanding

I stop before I throw. I try not to fight going backwards. Fighting on the outside doesnt mean you always avoid every exchange.

And i have a friend that’s pretty good that I fight regularly as well. He was Div 6 with a great win % last year.

I’ll just post my videos when I get home. You can judge for yourself if im any good.

I believe you're good.

I just question whether the people you're utilising these techniques against are fighting in the style that I am and the quality of the opposition. Both things are in question naturally. So even if the player is good... He might not be fighting in the specific way I'm talking about.

You're going to be moving backwards against me if you want to avoid inside exchanges. Like, I'm not going to stop moving forward and brawling. You'd have to KO me through exchanging sways/ducks and uppers/hooks with me. And it seems that if either player wants to... every fight can be turned into this kind of fight with ease. There's no added danger in just relentlessly moving forward and fighting this way. The danger is equal for both of you.

[johnmangala]

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You have to stand and let them come to you while you block high and low and counter if you can.

Eventually the opponent will start to reset to recompose stamina, giving you the space you need.

Unless you circle well, trying to maintain distance gets you clinched or taken down in this game.

Also the teeps and other pushing kicks are designed to create space.

[EJ_Manuel]

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I need help with this also. I cannot stop these dude's who just push forward at will. Even if I duck and land 2 or 3 uppercuts they eat them and keep coming. If they're winging hooks I'll dodge 2 or 3 of them and try to counter but then I run into the 4th. I got KOed by a Velasquez who threw 60 shots in 2 minutes on accelerated clock. That's 60 punches in what, 90 seconds? I'm just overwhelmed by these dudes.

[Solid_Altair]

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I feel like I can just duck under all of this and land an uppercut lol. Then you'd throw an uppercut, I know. But I'd have pulled you into inside fighting. Seems to be pretty easy to do this with any fighter too.

Can one of you show me this online? Because I'm currently not a believer

I agree that keeping people off is too hard, right now, but I blame body punches, not the advancing head movement. Leading with head movement isn't as good as in the beta, because now the leaning strikes are bad on block and even if your lean evades an attack, the opponent can still slip your counter. And if people are leaning spamming, you cal still counter it with leg kicks or straight body kicks (though timing these is hard).

However, in non-body-spamming fights, some outside fighting is quite viable, imo.

Here is a non-body-spamming ranked fight of Cerrone vs Woodley, with quite a bit of outside fighting:

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And here is the same match-up, but against a body spammer:

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And add me up on PS4, bruh. We can have some scraps, specially if you're in the Americas. Altair_Snake

I need help with this also. I cannot stop these dude's who just push forward at will. Even if I duck and land 2 or 3 uppercuts they eat them and keep coming. If they're winging hooks I'll dodge 2 or 3 of them and try to counter but then I run into the 4th. I got KOed by a Velasquez who threw 60 shots in 2 minutes on accelerated clock. That's 60 punches in what, 90 seconds? I'm just overwhelmed by these dudes.

Evading a strike slows the opponent's follow up strike enough for you to counter. Just gotta be sharp with the timing, but the window is there. And this kind of pressure fighting will decrease in effectiveness a lot, when the body punches are nerfed. So, keep fighting the good fight.

[RetractedMonkey]

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Currently there is no good out fighting setup. You will be pressured and hit with body punches.


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[Serengeti1]

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And add me up on PS4, bruh. We can have some scraps, specially if you're in the Americas. Altair_Snake

Done. By the looks of the videos you're going to **** me up. You know more combos than me and stuff. Like I know a few but I don't use them fluidly yet so I just don't use them. I'm still trying to learn about other things like vulnerability/timing. Also having fun using a wide array of fighters.

I should end up being very predictable to you. I'm not interested in whether you can beat me though... Just whether you can keep me off you or if the fight turns into a brawl.

[Phillyboi207]

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https://m.twitch.tv/videos/224882655

Go to about 31:30

Im CM Punk vs Woodley

He’s not amazing but I think I moved pretty well considering Punk’s stats

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/224446894

1h 49 Min Bisping vs Johnson

[Serengeti1]

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Solid and I just had some fights. We're about the same level but we're both still learning about the game in some areas (me more than him).

I still believe that holding high block and staying in someone's face the whole fight is far too viable. In real life if two guys stood nose to nose for every round... Well, they wouldn't. Someone would get knocked out fast or somebody would back down.

We tried different things while I utilised this strategy. Firstly, I just basically used duck/upper and sway/hook. He wasn't able to get me out of his face. Which was a consistent theme the whole way through all of the fights. When he started going to the body... my stamina was draining much faster and he was able to win a few (not that the results are relevant). He wasn't able to get away from me though... Like ever (until my stamina was completely drained and movement was slowed). I then went to the body too and I was able to win. All the fights were competitive and we both got rocks/knockdowns.

If a fighter tried to walk someone down holding high block like that irl... They're getting hit. Their block is not impenetrable. If they're in the pocket all the way in the whole time... They're in danger.

You can't keep someone away with a jab in this game. As I've been saying from the beginning... It favours the Mike Tyson style the most. Only Mike wasn't in your face the ENTIRE time.

Solid doesn't agree with me so I'm sure he'll be here with counter points though.

[Phillyboi207]

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I definitely agree about high block being too viable.

Block needs to break faster or regenerate slower.

[Thetruth9012]

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Solid and I just had some fights. We're about the same level but we're both still learning about the game in some areas (me more than him).

I still believe that holding high block and staying in someone's face the whole fight is far too viable. In real life if two guys stood nose to nose for every round... Well, they wouldn't. Someone would get knocked out fast or somebody would back down.

We tried different things while I utilised this strategy. Firstly, I just basically used duck/upper and sway/hook. He wasn't able to get me out of his face. Which was a consistent theme the whole way through all of the fights. When he started going to the body... my stamina was draining much faster and he was able to win a few (not that the results are relevant). He wasn't able to get away from me though... Like ever (until my stamina was completely drained and movement was slowed). I then went to the body too and I was able to win. All the fights were competitive and we both got rocks/knockdowns.

If a fighter tried to walk someone down holding high block like that irl... They're getting hit. Their block is not impenetrable. If they're in the pocket all the way in the whole time... They're in danger.

You can't keep someone away with a jab in this game. As I've been saying from the beginning... It favours the Mike Tyson style the most. Only Mike wasn't in your face the ENTIRE time.

Solid doesn't agree with me so I'm sure he'll be here with counter points though.

I suggested that

When you moving forward then block meter should be reduced by 30-50%.

That could solve this problem.

Wysłane z mojego LG-H525n przy użyciu Tapatalka

[RetractedMonkey]

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I suggested that

When you moving forward then block meter should be reduced by 30-50%.

That could solve this problem.

Wysłane z mojego LG-H525n przy użyciu Tapatalka

That's a great idea. But, decrease it when you're close and not moving as well. The closer you get the easier it is to break and you get a percentage decrease when moving forward. You're closer and moving in so less reaction time.

Add in the nerf to body punches on stamina and it becomes viable to fight on the outside.