Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

[sweedee]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

That's not me.... So no, I didn't lol. If you have a PS4 you can come and try that if you want.

My bad, I assumed the person that I quoted was the same person that responded.

[RetractedMonkey]

Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

I’ve encountered a pretty good outfighting strategy. If you use your L1 back dash liberally you can easily get out of the pocket and control the mid range. Eventually you’ll get backed up into the cage but then you can side dash or even simply circle out because so many people are trash at cage cutting.

There are a couple of limiting factors: you can be crowded by someone just holding block but the caveat for them is they have to cut down their aggression to do it. When they start to throw you can dip out again and take the center.

Also, you are limited in your striking options. For the most part your arsenal will consist of backstepping straights. Check hooks can catch your opponent off guard when you suddenly stop. Since they’re moving forward and you’re stationary, your check hook has a good chance to land faster.


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[Serengeti1]

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The issue is with that is the strategy I'm talking about isn't a very aggressive strategy in terms of strikes thrown if you you want to force a brawl. You're blocking most of the time and barely ever throwing. You only need one or two to land to rock/get a finish tho.

I fought a guy from this forum yesterday who's a good player that was doing everything you just mentioned but he couldn't get me off of him so he had to fight in a phone booth. I'm down to record the next one regardless of the result so we can get some footage in this thread.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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The issue is with that is the strategy I'm talking about isn't a very aggressive strategy in terms of strikes thrown if you you want to force a brawl. You're blocking most of the time and barely ever throwing. You only need one or two to land to rock/get a finish tho.

I fought a guy from this forum yesterday who's a good player that was doing everything you just mentioned but he couldn't get me off of him so he had to fight in a phone booth. I'm down to record the next one regardless of the result so we can get some footage in this thread.

Yeah, we ran yesterday and there wasn't much that I could do to keep you at distance. We won't count the fight where I had Mickey Gall against Diaz, that wasn't much of a contest lol. In the second fight where I was using Bethe, I felt like I was doing some good things, but you were able to walk me down and just wait until I was vulnerable to catch me. The game feels so silly -- just wait for the uppercut and prosper. If you recorded that one, I don't mind you posting it. If not, I believe I might have clipped it.

[Serengeti1]

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Yeah, we ran yesterday and there wasn't much that I could do to keep you at distance. We won't count the fight where I had Mickey Gall against Diaz, that wasn't much of a contest lol. In the second fight where I was using Bethe, I felt like I was doing some good things, but you were able to walk me down and just wait until I was vulnerable to catch me. The game feels so silly -- just wait for the uppercut and prosper. If you recorded that one, I don't mind you posting it. If not, I believe I might have clipped it.

Yeah, the duck/uppercut bro meme isn't just a meme lol. And yeah, the second fight you were going to the body from what I remember which got my stamina pretty low. Thing is I'm neglecting the body shot when I do this style but for people that master it even better than me... They're going to be even more effective with such a simple/nauseating tactic. Another way to do this is to pick a Thai fighter and just hold high block and alternate between the knee to the body, elbows, and uppercuts. I'ts maybe even more annoying lol.

I only have shareplay and I didn't save it so I can't post it.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, we ran yesterday and there wasn't much that I could do to keep you at distance. We won't count the fight where I had Mickey Gall against Diaz, that wasn't much of a contest lol. In the second fight where I was using Bethe, I felt like I was doing some good things, but you were able to walk me down and just wait until I was vulnerable to catch me. The game feels so silly -- just wait for the uppercut and prosper. If you recorded that one, I don't mind you posting it. If not, I believe I might have clipped it.

Can you guys try someone else? Now I suck at the game but I dont have much of an issue staying outside with high footwork ratings guys like Cruz or Thompson. Keep in mind that I'm not playing elite level competition but Retracted's back dash and circle works pretty well for me and I suck.

The two people Pappy used (Gall and Bethe) have an 86 and an 85 in footwork respectively so its going to be hard to fight at a distance with those guys because they dont have the footwork or power to combat someone with an aggressive approach/

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Can you guys try someone else? Now I suck at the game but I dont have much of an issue staying outside with high footwork ratings guys like Cruz or Thompson. Keep in mind that I'm not playing elite level competition but Retracted's back dash and circle works pretty well for me and I suck.

The two people Pappy used (Gall and Bethe) have an 86 and an 85 in footwork respectively so its going to be hard to fight at a distance with those guys because they dont have the footwork or power to combat someone with an aggressive approach/

For sure. I'll specifically use more agile fighters next time we run.

[Serengeti1]

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Can you guys try someone else? Now I suck at the game but I dont have much of an issue staying outside with high footwork ratings guys like Cruz or Thompson. Keep in mind that I'm not playing elite level competition but Retracted's back dash and circle works pretty well for me and I suck.

The two people Pappy used (Gall and Bethe) have an 86 and an 85 in footwork respectively so its going to be hard to fight at a distance with those guys because they dont have the footwork or power to combat someone with an aggressive approach/

Diaz has an 87 footwork stat. Idk what Raquel's is (who I used) but her OVR is similar to Bethe. That's not the problem.

The backdash works well for you because you're not fighting the style I'm talking about.

[Phillyboi207]

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Im still waiting for video

[aholbert32]

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For sure. I'll specifically use more agile fighters next time we run.

Dont get me wrong though. A skilled pressure fighter is probably the #1 best strategy online. With that said, one of the goals with the stats was that fighters should feel different and that one strategy shouldnt work for every fighter.

For example, I dont think a pressure strategy for Jones is the best way to use him. You can win with it if you are skilled enough but you are minimizing his effectiveness by not using his length.

[Serengeti1]

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I'm down to record. Any takers? Again, results don't matter. Bear that in mind. All that matters is whether you can stop the fight from turning into a brawl/inside fight and whether you can be effective fighting on the outside and stop me advancing.

The idea that you can have fights on this game where both fighters are standing directly in front of each other for entire fights across multiple rounds is very silly. We're stuck like glue with force fields in front of our heads and it looks ridiculous. Like that's the real point of what I'm saying. Just so everyone gets it (also not sure how many have read the whole thread).

[RetractedMonkey]

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I'm down to record. Any takers? Again, results don't matter. Bear that in mind. All that matters is whether you can stop the fight from turning into a brawl/inside fight and whether you can be effective fighting on the outside and stop me advancing.



The idea that you can have fights on this game where both fighters are standing directly in front of each other for entire fights across multiple rounds is very silly. We're stuck like glue with force fields in front of our heads and it looks ridiculous. Like that's the real point of what I'm saying. Just so everyone gets it (also not sure how many have read the whole thread).

If your goal is viability, the method I presented definitely works. You won’t be throwing a whole lot though. More often than not you’ll be in prolonged points of tag. But if you’re trying to establish an outfighting style that won’t consist of long periods of staring I don’t think it’s possible against that type of pressure.


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[aholbert32]

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Diaz has an 87 footwork stat. Idk what Raquel's is (who I used) but her OVR is similar to Bethe. That's not the problem.

The backdash works well for you because you're not fighting the style I'm talking about.

I'm not? You are talking about fighting from the outside, right? I'm using the backdash to keep space and fight from the outside.

You asked if its possible to avoid someone who has "a playstyle where you literally just hold the analogue towards your opponent the entire time. So far I'm not seeing how you can create space and fight at a distance effectively when fighting someone like this."

I'm saying that I struggled to do that with midlevel fighters but I was able to do that with elite footwork fighters on lower levels. My theory is that higher level players should be able to do similar things with people who have better footwork ratings. I could be wrong but I'd like to see it.

[Serengeti1]

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I'm not? You are talking about fighting from the outside, right? I'm using the backdash to keep space and fight from the outside.

You asked if its possible to avoid someone who has "a playstyle where you literally just hold the analogue towards your opponent the entire time. So far I'm not seeing how you can create space and fight at a distance effectively when fighting someone like this."

I'm saying that I struggled to do that with midlevel fighters but I was able to do that with elite footwork fighters on lower levels. My theory is that higher level players should be able to do similar things with people who have better footwork ratings. I could be wrong but I'd like to see it.

Hopefully it is possible. But I haven't seen it yet. I've only seen people get pulled into the inside fight or throw the occasional jab/straight but eventually have it ducked under and get hit with the upper/hook combo (which often causes a rock).

If your goal is viability, the method I presented definitely works. You won’t be throwing a whole lot though. More often than not you’ll be in prolonged points of tag. But if you’re trying to establish an outfighting style that won’t consist of long periods of staring I don’t think it’s possible against that type of pressure.


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You have a PS4, right? And you're in the top 20 or some ****? You'll be better/more adept with the game than me right now but that's a good thing. Let's test it out. And yeah, the long points of staring are the worst lol. What are you throwing on the outside though? Because jabs/straights are easy to counter and don't do that much to stop me advancing with a force field around my head. If we're going to just stare at each other... you're better off just throwing uppers/hooks which is my point.

[aholbert32]

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If your goal is viability, the method I presented definitely works. You won’t be throwing a whole lot though. More often than not you’ll be in prolonged points of tag. But if you’re trying to establish an outfighting style that won’t consist of long periods of staring I don’t think it’s possible against that type of pressure.


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This.

Its not going to stop him from advancing unless you have a fighter with good footwork and power and even then it may not work. With that said, that not what typically happens in real life.

Take Wonderboy/Hendricks, Wonderboy was using distance and tagging him the entire first part of the first round. Hendricks didnt start fighting from the outside...he kept pushing forward until he was finished.