Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

[kush land]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Thank you very much for answering. is it possible to make the regular lunge 1and half instead of 1. the lunge forward punches seem slow of the big step back can they be speed up

[kush land]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

When i advance lunge back and dodge there leg kick and my fighter just moves hes leg back the lead hook of that dods very little damage.

Sometimes im able to dodge there forward moving punches with the advanced lunge and counter with a lead hook but it does very little damage why?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

You likely won't be able to with the advanced lunge as it takes you two strike ranges back.

Counter striking with a punch using that will be slower and you might not even be able to cover the range depending on what you evaded.

With a regular lunge it is totally possible, but those are a lot riskier to use because you have to have judged your range perfectly to use them as they only take you one range back.

Slip back straight counter KO's are also very possible, but risky for the same reason.

Does the lunge range only apply to fighters with near max range?

It seems like if you back dash while the opp is walking forward+ striking you’re stuck in place. Is that so you have the opportunity to counter if you make them miss?

[SeparatedNose]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

They just need to increase stamina penalty for landed/blocked strikes and whiffed strikes.

It would force people to cut back on spamming

If they increased base damage it would literally go towards improving almost every aspect of the standup.

Outside fighting happens because fighting in close can be a dangerous crapshoot. Thats why people like Wandy were so dangerous, becsuse they had the body and skills to get inside and do alot of damage.

If nearly every strike had the potential potentially end the fight it would force players into a chessmatch.

Just increase head movement, decrease strike tracking a bit, fix the stationary bug, and increase base damage.

I’d argue that you would need to reduce block strength also.

Edit: I worry if you increase the stamina penalty for whiffed strikes, that will further penalize outside fighting. I think the stamina penalty should be greater for whiffed CLOSE strikes.

To me that seems like a recipe for realistic fights or else they’re getting KTFO.

[kush land]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

I've been practicing the regular lunges against the computer im not very good at them yet they look great but i personally feel like the regular lunges and advanced lunges are kinda useless for offense they do little damage compared to head movement counters if this was done intentionally im fine with that.


If im making someone miss with the lunges it should atleast drain more of there stamina and not drain mine

The regular lunges kinda look like how real fighters move around the cage u know how they bounce in and out of the pocket not float in and out

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

If they increased base damage it would literally go towards improving almost every aspect of the standup.

Outside fighting happens because fighting in close can be a dangerous crapshoot. Thats why people like Wandy were so dangerous, becsuse they had the body and skills to get inside and do alot of damage.

If nearly every strike had the potential potentially end the fight it would force players into a chessmatch.

Just increase head movement, decrease strike tracking a bit, fix the stationary bug, and increase base damage.

I’d argue that you would need to reduce block strength also.

Edit: I worry if you increase the stamina penalty for whiffed strikes, that will further penalize outside fighting. I think the stamina penalty should be greater for whiffed CLOSE strikes.

To me that seems like a recipe for realistic fights or else they’re getting KTFO.

All true but you have to consider not everyone that plays this wants a chess match.

devs have to balance it enough for the hardcore while keeping things simple enough for casuals

[kush land]

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this is game way beyond simple its so hard 2 learn just the ground game and the ground is basic compared to all the new things to learn in the striking i cant imagine how frustrating this game must be for someone going online in ranked for the 1st time it's ruthless no mercy

[Phillyboi207]

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this is game way beyond simple its so hard 2 learn just the ground game and the ground is basic compared to all the new things to learn in the striking i cant imagine how frustrating this game must be for someone going online in ranked for the 1st time it's ruthless no mercy

Yeah I think they need to add more tutorials/ drills to teach all of the stuff.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

If they increased base damage it would literally go towards improving almost every aspect of the standup.

Outside fighting happens because fighting in close can be a dangerous crapshoot. Thats why people like Wandy were so dangerous, becsuse they had the body and skills to get inside and do alot of damage.

If nearly every strike had the potential potentially end the fight it would force players into a chessmatch.

Just increase head movement, decrease strike tracking a bit, fix the stationary bug, and increase base damage.

I’d argue that you would need to reduce block strength also.

Edit: I worry if you increase the stamina penalty for whiffed strikes, that will further penalize outside fighting. I think the stamina penalty should be greater for whiffed CLOSE strikes.

To me that seems like a recipe for realistic fights or else they’re getting KTFO.

If it gets any higher, the stronger attacks will always rock people on normal hit. That wouldn't feel very organic and would cross a bad breakpoint for balance.

[kush land]

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i think we might have passed the breaking point or were right on the line about to fall off

[UFCBlackbelt]

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Played the AI on hard using Nate Diaz(me) vs Demetrious Johnson. I see what you guys have been complaining about now. I couldn't for the life of me keep him away and I had a huge reach advantage.

Did a fight with Diakese(me) vs Gaethje, used the teep at times to create distance but couldn't keep him off me either.

Could someone post a video of themselves keeping pressure fighters off them via striking?

Curious as to how it's done as the teep only works when there is distance and if they block, I fall right into their range.

The only method ive seen so far is to utilize your own counters to get them thinking twice, and to feint them a few times with fake jabs to let them become confused when their strikes keep hitting air or gloves. Its not as effective as id like it to be though, you will still have those moments where you are just throwing a flick jab and you get caught by two hooks.

[johnmangala]

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Played the AI on hard using Nate Diaz(me) vs Demetrious Johnson.

What? How did you do that?

[FCB x Finlay]

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If it gets any higher, the stronger attacks will always rock people on normal hit. That wouldn't feel very organic and would cross a bad breakpoint for balance.

What about tuning of long term damage instead, like you can land like 6 or 7 headkicks/overhands at several points through a round without getting a rock. Shouldnt landing something heavy have a greater reward, and both are really blockable and counterable so it doesnt effect balance to much.

[johnmangala]

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Go to Tournament mode and choose mixed classes then go to lightweight & bobs your uncle jim.

You can do Nate Diaz v Demetrious Johnson? I don't know if I read that right.

[Supreme_Bananas]

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You can do Nate Diaz v Demetrious Johnson? I don't know if I read that right.

You can, and if you let the AI sim it you often get hilarious results. My friend TheUFCVeteran did a stream of one where Rashad Evans subbed Werdum in R2 and Frankie Edgar KO'd Yoel Romero in 9 seconds too lmao