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Solid_Altair

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#106

02-10-2018, 02:56 PM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

I haven't played much since the patch. I had only 5 fights. This was the only guy who tried to stay close the whole time. It didn't end well for him.

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Phillyboi207

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#107

02-10-2018, 03:03 PM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

I haven't played much since the patch. I had only 5 fights. This was the only guy who tried to stay close the whole time. It didn't end well for him.

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Could you fight Serengeti95 again? You using Wonderboy vs Hendricks

Im really curious if he’d be able to stay in your face if you’re lunging throwing kicks and circling
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Serengeti1

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#108

02-10-2018, 03:30 PM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

I haven't played much since the patch. I had only 5 fights. This was the only guy who tried to stay close the whole time. It didn't end well for him.

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He forced an inside fight on you for the majority of the fight but yeah.

What I will say is that people are exaggerating when they're saying everyone at the top level is fighting like this. It's never been about it's effectiveness as far as winning though. It's always just been about it being too difficult to fight on the outside against a guy who wants to fight on the inside.

It's as effective as you are effective at fighting on the inside.
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Solid_Altair

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#109

02-10-2018, 06:19 PM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Phillyboi207

Could you fight Serengeti95 again? You using Wonderboy vs Hendricks

Im really curious if he’d be able to stay in your face if you’re lunging throwing kicks and circling

Wonderboy vs Hendricks woul dbe a huge mismatch, though.

Anyways, I think he would be able to stay on my face. I think the nerf to body punches helped things a lot, but high block is still too strong. and is currently what allows people to feel comfortable staying close all the time.

Also, I would rather use a Muay fighter, with good knees and elbows to counter the guy on the inside, instead of picking a sniper like Wonderboy and likely fail to keep people out.

Originally posted by Serengeti95

He forced an inside fight on you for the majority of the fight but yeah.

What I will say is that people are exaggerating when they're saying everyone at the top level is fighting like this. It's never been about it's effectiveness as far as winning though. It's always just been about it being too difficult to fight on the outside against a guy who wants to fight on the inside.

It's as effective as you are effective at fighting on the inside.

I agree.
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Solid_Altair

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#110

02-13-2018, 09:03 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Another guy who tried to stay close the whole fight:

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I think there is still some work to be done against the tanks, but the body punch nerf was certainly a big help against this tactic. The people who are beating me are not using it, they're fighting in and out.
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Serengeti1

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#111

02-13-2018, 09:17 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

Another guy who tried to stay close the whole fight:

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I think there is still some work to be done against the tanks, but the body punch nerf was certainly a big help against this tactic. The people who are beating me are not using it, they're fighting in and out.

Right. I just don't think it's a fair fight anymore if you don't have a Thai fighter yourself because of that knee to the body. You're also just better than that guy. Again, it's as effective as you are fighting on the inside. The standing on the outside and spamming sways is probably more common now. That's not outside fighting though.

I really, really hope this game can be balanced into a place where all styles are as effective as each other. Outside fighting can be done right now. Don't get me wrong. But not against somebody who wants to fight on the inside.

Uppers/hook rocks are just too easy to get too so there isn't enough incentive to fight on the outside when the opponent can easily duck your jab and rock you. Again, it can work at times. But it's not balanced.
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Phillyboi207

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#112

02-13-2018, 09:30 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Serengeti95

Right. I just don't think it's a fair fight anymore if you don't have a Thai fighter yourself because of that knee to the body. You're also just better than that guy. Again, it's as effective as you are fighting on the inside. The standing on the outside and spamming sways is probably more common now. That's not outside fighting though.

I really, really hope this game can be balanced into a place where all styles are as effective as each other. Outside fighting can be done right now. Don't get me wrong. But not against somebody who wants to fight on the inside.

Uppers/hook rocks are just too easy to get too so there isn't enough incentive to fight on the outside when the opponent can easily duck your jab and rock you. Again, it can work at times. But it's not balanced.

Not sure if y’all are aware but a well time backdash will evade the strikes and drain your opp stamina.

If you double them you can create distance and reset.

I havent really run into someone that can stifle me with punches. They usually have to resort to leg kicks to catch me retreating.
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Serengeti1

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#113

02-13-2018, 09:34 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by Phillyboi207

Not sure if y’all are aware but a well time backdash will evade the strikes and drain your opp stamina.

If you double them you can create distance and reset.

I havent really run into someone that can stifle me with punches. They usually have to resort to leg kicks to catch me retreating.

You can evade the knee occasionally by doing this, yeah. But against someone who knows what they're doing with varied cadence and strikes... it's too much of an ask to try and win by lunging back and jabbing. And forget about kicking. You will resort to uppers/hooks/knees on the inside constantly too.

When you've played ranked or just a really good player doing this... you'll get it.
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aliojin

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#114

02-13-2018, 09:50 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

I have some fights at the outside because my opponent and me fight that way. I don't now how to deal against someone is pressing you all the time. In UFC 2 I had a hard time with those kind of fighters. I usually attack the body with fast and well timed strikes and backdash
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kush land

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#115

02-13-2018, 10:03 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

You can't fight outside because lunging back and countering seems like it has no vulnerability if i dash back and avoid ur hook then counter it should have vulnerability shouldn't it

i haven't knocked anyone out with a dash back counter punch HAS ANYONE GOT A STEP BACK COUNTER KO
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Solid_Altair

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#116

02-13-2018, 10:18 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

A fight featuring Anderson Silva and a lot of spacing, in case you want some eye candy as a break from the frequent in-your-face fights that are so common:

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kush land

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#117

02-13-2018, 10:30 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

There go ur lunging back and countering with a body uppercut and it did nothin to him really there is no point to lunge back expect to get a very small loss of there stamina from them missing but i lose stamina for lunging back 2.

The only time a lunging back counter does any thing is if u dodge a head kick then return a head kick there done punches dont have the same effect
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Solid_Altair

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#118

02-13-2018, 10:36 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by kush land

There go ur lunging back and countering with a body uppercut and it did nothin to him really there is no point to lunge back expect to get a very small loss of there stamina from them missing but i lose stamina for lunging back 2.

The only time a lunging back counter does any thing is if u dodge a head kick then return a head kick there done punches dont have the same effect

You can also intercept the opponent's follow up strike in some cases. And if you don't need to lunge or lean back to evade th eopponent's big attack, you can counter him very heavily, like here:

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I think it's realistic that back evasions are relatively slow. Those cases where I countered with a body upper were fine. The opponent had already recovered from the whiff, so I had to pressure (attack where they wouldn't defend), insead of punish (attack when they can't defend).
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kush land

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#119

02-13-2018, 10:43 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

You haven't Knocked out 1 person with a step back PUNCH though have you ive got lots of head kick ko's like the one in the video 2 but not once have a caused a health event of any kind with a PUNCH SHOW ME AND I SHUT UP LOL

sorry just really bugs me fighting at a distance against a really good fighter is just about impossible its easy 2 keep distance on someone whos not good
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GameplayDevUFC

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#120

02-13-2018, 10:46 AM

Re: Can Someone Show Me How Outside Fighting Is Done?

Originally posted by kush land

You haven't Knocked out 1 person with a step back PUNCH though have you ive got lots of head kick ko's like the one in the video 2 but not once have a caused a health event of any kind with a PUNCH SHOW ME AND I SHUT UP LOL

sorry just really bugs me fighting at a distance against a really good fighter is just about impossible its easy 2 keep distance on someone whos not good

You likely won't be able to with the advanced lunge as it takes you two strike ranges back.

Counter striking with a punch using that will be slower and you might not even be able to cover the range depending on what you evaded.

With a regular lunge it is totally possible, but those are a lot riskier to use because you have to have judged your range perfectly to use them as they only take you one range back.

Slip back straight counter KO's are also very possible, but risky for the same reason.
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