The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

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WHERE'S THE PEAK FAM? WHERE?????

Did you even watch the whole duck/upper video btw? C'mon bro. This ain't right. lol. I don't want to have to time something completely perfectly to get results when all he needs to do is hit a sway counter to get way better results.

I think it's a combination of not hitting the peak, not being at ideal range for the uppercut, GSP being at full stamina and Diaz being at a little less than full stamina.

All those factors combined made the damage less than you'd otherwise expect.

Are some of those things tuned poorly? Maybe.

But it's not glaringly obvious in what way.

I agree on the face of it it looks like it probably should do more damage.

But if you look at the reasons why the damage isn't high, everything in isolation looks reasonable.

There's one change I can see here maybe being worth making though, so thanks for posting it.

[dfab14]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I thought I read that they added strike cancellation because the community wanted yet I rarely see it used i love it personally could use some tweaking but all in all it has served me well

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[Solid_Altair]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

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WHERE'S THE PEAK FAM? WHERE?????

Did you even watch the whole duck/upper video btw? C'mon bro. This ain't right. lol. I don't want to have to time something completely perfectly to get results when all he needs to do is hit a sway counter to get way better results.

The peak is in the middle of the execution timingwise (which doesn't look like the middle of the strike... looks like it's earlier). And not all locations have the actually high vulnerability.

He needs some specificity on his sway counters and the damage you take depends on what you do. If you whiff a jab as a single strike, you'll take less damage than if you buffer a combo with an overhand or a kick, after your first punch misses.

The requirements of vulnerability are a good thing. They make the system organic.

I do agree that the sway counter bonus buff is a bit too much and wasn't needed. However, there was a good mathematical change with it, that should stay. But the general bonus should be flatly reduced, imo.

Our views aren't so different. It just seems like you want more risk for slip counters, whereas I want less reward.

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Then throw off the timing by faking strikes

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Faking strikes doesn't work great against a lot of the division 5 - 6 spammers.

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I think it's a combination of not hitting the peak, not being at ideal range for the uppercut, GSP being at full stamina and Diaz being at a little less than full stamina.

All those factors combined made the damage less than you'd otherwise expect.

Are some of those things tuned poorly? Maybe.

But it's not glaringly obvious in what way.

I agree on the face of it it looks like it probably should do more damage.

But if you look at the reasons why the damage isn't high, everything in isolation looks reasonable.

There's one change I can see here maybe being worth making though, so thanks for posting it.

Those things shouldn't make that much of a difference imo. We're talking a slither of stamina. I also threw the upper from fine range... certainly nothing that would justify the result. I personally don't think the result here is that reasonable (not speaking from a mathematical code sense... just what should actually happen in this situation for realism and balance) given how much damage sway counters can often do. I think it's particularly annoying to me because this happens all the time and I'm making the reads but not being rewarded enough.

I appreciate that you're acknowledging it could do with tuning though.

[dfab14]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Faking strikes doesn't work great against a lot of the division 5 - 6 spammers.

That I wouldn't know and that's were a problem might exist it seems like the higher up you go in ranked the worse it gets I'm happy playing at lower divisions cause I feel like I don't run into the same problems that some of you do. With that being said I am game to try out a match with anyone in a higher division I feel like it could be a good learning experience I don't have the free time I use to to go chasing leaderboards I just want a MMA scrap and I feel like I would give you a run for your money

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[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Its a different game there. I don't chase leaderboards, I just like competition and this is the only game im playing on my free time. Used to be top 100 on ufc 3 and top 15 on EA MMA and even then it wasn't chasing leaderboards.

[Donnie_Brasco_FR]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

What Mean wiffed?

[emmdeekay]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

In the second example is that just a regular backstep or an LB modified one?

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

In the second example is that just a regular backstep or an LB modified one?

Regular back step. I used it because it's both quicker and keeps you in range.

[emmdeekay]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Regular back step. I used it because it's both quicker and keeps you in range.

Been trying to get it going in ranked to not much success. I keep getting caught at the end of the strike range. Is it more timing dependant or range dependant?

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Been trying to get it going in ranked to not much success. I keep getting caught at the end of the strike range. Is it more timing dependant or range dependant?

Very much range dependent.

The advanced lunge takes you a lot further out so it's safer, but harder to counter with because it can often leave you too far out of range.

Deciding which one to use all comes down to your range, and whether your opponent is going to throw coming forward or not.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

For all the meters we have why not a vulerability meter? I mean we have a GA meter. We should see the actual spikes.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

For all the meters we have why not a vulerability meter? I mean we have a GA meter. We should see the actual spikes.

I'd like that but there's not a ton of screen real estate. There's 8 vulnerability regions so you'd need 8 meters per fighter.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Yes, I had the same sway cancel idea as well. I really like that concept.

I think that sway cancelling is actually a bad idea. It'd really encourage cheesers to constantly cancel their sways while fishing for a sway.


I guess the only way it'd work is that you would return your head to neutral and won't be able to block immediately and will be susceptible to strikes that counter whichever way you swayed.