i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

You spent pages arguing about simplified controls simplifying denies, animation reading in general and the whole part about whether you need 2 controllers to learn the current grappling. All I'm saying is that I don't think there is a solution to fix the current grappling to make everyone happy so arguing about those things was wasteful.

I agree with everything but the part that it's wasteful. When people spout nonsensical ideas that would be detrimental to a game, I think rational people should speak out. So I did.

So no, you did not argue in favor of the current system but still spent a lot of time arguing ZP's (and friends) weird ideas that really wouldn't fix the core issues. I think it would be more productive to discuss how a new system should function.

I agree and I do actually do that. Just not in this thread because it'd be off-topic.

[Counter Punch]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

They should just turn the grapple HUD on by default offline as well as online in division 1-3.

[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I think there's a 3rd perspective here. Believe it or not I think you really can be a "hardcore casual". Thats kind of what I consider myself tbh.

Ive literally never played even 1 single game of ranked. I could truly care less about winning and losing. That type of win at all costs competition holds absolutely zero interest to me.. but Ive been on the forums for years, amassed thousands of posts, have a deep love and passion for martial arts, and even though im not a ranked guy, ive still put the time in to understand the systems and all the intricacies of them.

I mean, some of you would probably say theres no way you can be a hardcore if you have never played ranked even once, but then some of you would say you can't be a casual if you're reading on forums how to deeper understand the mechanics running the show.

Either way, there has to be a better way to get some of these concepts and mechanics across to everyone across the board. There is some seriously arcane systems in place that the average joe just wont know about. Shoot you could be deep into the forums and stil miss a few minor details.

At the end of the day tho id rather have all the complexities and more, and have to put the man hours in to learn them, than to dumb things down just for the sake of the average joe gamer.

Realism > literally anything else.

[GrimLeiper]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I started playing not long after UFC 2 was released and figured the quickest and easiest way to become decent was to learn the grappling. For me, grappling was easier to get to grips with than the striking.

I remember practicing my striking on ranked, getting frustrated with it, then deciding to just play with GSP so I could wrestle people to the point where I had such a stamina difference that their striking no longer caused me issues.

Not once did I come onto this forum and demand the striking be changed, or insist the striking is **** because I don't understand it. Because that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to do.

I can't help but feel this is exactly what people are doing in regards to the grappling. Whilst there's definitely some good points, this entire thread is dotted with comments showing a clear lack of understanding with regards to grappling, yet these same comments are also trying encourage change from the current system, despite them clearly having a limited understanding of said system.

Just because you're not good at something, doesn't mean it's ****.



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[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I think there's a 3rd perspective here. Believe it or not I think you really can be a "hardcore casual". Thats kind of what I consider myself tbh.

Ive literally never played even 1 single game of ranked. I could truly care less about winning and losing. That type of win at all costs competition holds absolutely zero interest to me.. but Ive been on the forums for years, amassed thousands of posts, have a deep love and passion for martial arts, and even though im not a ranked guy, ive still put the time in to understand the systems and all the intricacies of them.

I mean, some of you would probably say theres no way you can be a hardcore if you have never played ranked even once

Sure you can. Your opinion just doesn't hold as much weight when it comes to balancing the game since you're not part of the meta.

At the end of the day tho id rather have all the complexities and more, and have to put the man hours in to learn them, than to dumb things down just for the sake of the average joe gamer.

Agreed.

[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I would argue balancing the game based on top players who don't treat this like an MMA game and treat it like an arcade fighter is a bad idea. Balance the game based on realism. Point blank.


This is why we have a kickboxing game focused on combo block breakers and can't even have a discussion about how things would look with realistic blocking and stamina.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I would argue balancing the game based on top players who don't treat this like an MMA game and treat it like an arcade fighter is a bad idea. Balance the game based on realism. Point blank.

1) That's a straw man.
2) It's not necessarily a bad idea.
3) Top players don't necessarily do that.

But this is entirely off topic.

All I'm saying is that you can't balance a game if you don't know how people are playing the game. Otherwise games would get released, perfectly balanced.

[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I know exactly how people play on ranked. Which is exactly why I avoid it like the plague.

[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

This is just my opinion but I truly feel like the devs taking so much input from high level arcade fighting game guys has not done anything good for this series. I don't want to play Tekken with MMA fighters, I want to play MMA.

The more you try to balance solely based on what top players do, the further away from actual MMA you get. Balance based on realism.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I've literally never played even 1 single game of ranked.

I know exactly how people play on ranked.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

This is just my opinion but I truly feel like the devs taking so much input from high level arcade fighting game guys has not done anything good for this series. I don't want to play Tekken with MMA fighters, I want to play MMA.

The more you try to balance solely based on what top players do, the further away from actual MMA you get. Balance based on realism.

You gotta remember that this is a game.

A lot of people wouldnt find a hyper realistic MMA game fun.

All that would happen is the playerbase would shrink and the series would be done.

Fight for online sliders instead of turning the entire game sim

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

This is just my opinion but I truly feel like the devs taking so much input from high level arcade fighting game guys has not done anything good for this series. I don't want to play Tekken with MMA fighters, I want to play MMA.

The more you try to balance solely based on what top players do, the further away from actual MMA you get. Balance based on realism.

Being that I have SoulCal and Tekken, this game is a far cry from that.
Now Season 1... ;-;

[oshighwayman]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

And I have a message for you, friend. You aren’t a casual. You’ve already admitted you’ve been here for at least two installments and logged in a significant amount of time learning the mechanics. You’re on the Internet posting large amounts of text in a board dedicated to the game. You aren’t a casual, you’re just bad. And that’s a distinction many of you have yet to realize.

You think because you can’t grasp the mechanics on a meaningful level that you are a casual player. Everyone has a ceiling and tutorials aren’t going to help in any impactful way. Maybe give you an idea of some of the more tangential mechanics, but you will likely fail to master those as well.

These are harsh words, but they are also unequivocally true based on what you’ve told us.


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u re one evil person and that s it
and ur buddies on this forum can ban me for telling truth
and i am not ur friend
ur manners and u re just disgusting


if i am new player to this game and i see somebody as toxic and arrogant as u , i would never want anything to do with this community or game anymore


especially when u think u re so smart and u just do indirect insults, but they ban other guy for direct insult, even it was exactly SAME WORD, but hey u said it between lines and then u brag about it


i dont know going on this forum, why mods are letting u get away with all of this toxicity and personal attacks, insults etc. but whatever


i didnt come here for fight, i come here to tell people who re on this forum, gamechangers, devs etc. who have actually power to change things that there s PROBLEM:


playerbase is shrinking and there s absolutely no excuse for this game to not have proper tutorial especially now with PPV MCGgregor Khabib doing so good.


and i can swear on my life that lack of real tutorial is pushing people away and that there re people who will gladly go through it


why? because it s frustrating a lot playing a game and wondering what s going on and now knowing how to defend and how to counter


also changes re so big from UFC2 that it frustrates me even more as former UFC2 player, head movement, block, movement feels different etc.


i didnt create this topic to talk about me, all i was trying to do was to be as honest as possible to describe suffering of new player who got no idea what s going on and lack of real tutorial is not helping


it feels like having another job to find all information u need about and it s scattered around youtube, twitter, this forum, reddit etc.


i shouldnt be detective with a lot of free time to learn basic of game


but again i am writing too much so let s make this really simple


People buy game
People play game
People get frustrated
- some people had enough and they re done with game or with future installments, they dont have enough free time for learning or just simply to refuse that

- some people invest a lot of time or they re just naturally gifted and they become very skilled players
- some people keep playing game even they never truly understands any mechanics at all


now u got company selling UFC game and as company they want profit


to achieve that they want their game to be popular
u basically have that u need a lot of paying customers who re satisfied
to achieve that u need to make sure u go extra mile with video game and make sure they can have good experience whatever is their skill level


i know for sure UFCdev n other devs they love their game and i personally dont understand after months or years of development, why such a complicated game doesnt have proper tutorial


and it s complicated, it s safe to say for most of people it s complicated, for elite players on this forum, of course it s not , it s easy for them, when they understand mechanics, when they have strong foundation, so even when some variable with some patch will change, they have such a deep understanding that it means absolutely no problem to them


if u cant even build that basic foundation due to not having time for detective work, then game is complicated and confusing


i think it s safe to say with playerbase going down from ufc2 to ufc3, that it s not probably the best idea to pursue whatever direction we re pursing right now and maybe it s time to change in some areas at least


but i would say this also thing like "simple submissions" in my opinion doesnt achieve anything, u can pretty much destroy controller with it but that s it, i never asked for dumbing down a game


i never complained about ufc2 ground game being too hard or whatever nonsense u re putting in my mouth, u re just evil "friend"


i tried to be describe as best i could problems and feelings one can have with dealing with ground game, because THERE ARE people who have big problem with it, there re reviews on Xbox Live for UFC2, UFC3 and people complain a lot about it


i am not writing this for u, who re u anyway? that s so funny, because i really dont have any idea who re u, i can look around, i can see some youtubers and top players etc. but who re u? u re just person who come out of nowhere attack me for no reason then brag like child about getting somebody banned, while real people can see right through u


and i am just thinking what s going on, why is this person attacking me? what s he getting out of this?


well big secret is english is not my language and that i guess makes me "mentally challenged" and that s why i have trouble with game and u re on other hand are shining beacon of humanity, compassion and empathy


i really wish that was the case, that ME was the only problem UFC3 got right now


that i am just bad and i refuse to make enough free time to have another job to learn all of mechanics of ufc3


but u know what it seems the most of people are just like me, they had enough, or they dont have time or they dont like to be neglected by such a simple basic things like alternate controls or missing tutorial


and if becoming top player means that one will turn into somebody like u, this weird toxic pool of acid or i cant even describe it


u re just evil and so are people who endorse such a communication, attacks, insults to other people out of blue, uncalled for


because u re good at some video game, doesnt give u right to humilate other people


u re not fooling anyone with ur "arguments"


there was a day when i thought Windows, computer, folders, files , internet etc was easy
then i had to teach people 50-60 years older from me how to use it


when u have to write everything down STEP BY STEP
"move cursor here" "Click here"
it will actually teach u how things are different, they re not what they seems to be, that there can be confussion and misunderstanding but u can overcome it by being as honest as possible as straight as possible as simple as possible
and then when u can see things from many perspectives, then u can try see objectivity and truth


so now these old people they can use computer,internet etc. because i provided them instructions they can use and understand


i taught them , they taught me in return
and i am happy for them, because that s what normal good people do, they re happy for other people when they learn new skill or new thing etc.


for evil people they will just keep hating people, calling them bad and stupid and "mentally challenged" and they will never try to help but they will humilate others so they can feel extraordinary and special and that s so childish and wrong but whatever, free will right?


so that s my understanding who re u "friend" and whoever endorse what u re doing, is there with u too


i have zero intention to read any "constructive posts" of yours, u attack people, u provide some phony cheap psychoanalysis and then u expect that i will use my free time to go throught ur posts?


that amount of negative energy u provided, that really shocked me and u know what i am done, do what u want, just remember how u treat others that eventually comes back to u


so congratulations from those 3-4 posts u got me all emo and now i think u re evil and that s about it


anyway i said everything i wanted and i thank to all good nice polite people here that took their time to provide any feedback and for evil people here i only got this:what s the point of it and what kind of reward u think u will get with that behaviour


god bless

[1212headkick]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Y

u re one evil person and that s it
and ur buddies on this forum can ban me for telling truth
and i am not ur friend
ur manners and u re just disgusting


if i am new player to this game and i see somebody as toxic and arrogant as u , i would never want anything to do with this community or game anymore


especially when u think u re so smart and u just do indirect insults, but they ban other guy for direct insult, even it was exactly SAME WORD, but hey u said it between lines and then u brag about it


i dont know going on this forum, why mods are letting u get away with all of this toxicity and personal attacks, insults etc. but whatever


i didnt come here for fight, i come here to tell people who re on this forum, gamechangers, devs etc. who have actually power to change things that there s PROBLEM:


playerbase is shrinking and there s absolutely no excuse for this game to not have proper tutorial especially now with PPV MCGgregor Khabib doing so good.


and i can swear on my life that lack of real tutorial is pushing people away and that there re people who will gladly go through it


why? because it s frustrating a lot playing a game and wondering what s going on and now knowing how to defend and how to counter


also changes re so big from UFC2 that it frustrates me even more as former UFC2 player, head movement, block, movement feels different etc.


i didnt create this topic to talk about me, all i was trying to do was to be as honest as possible to describe suffering of new player who got no idea what s going on and lack of real tutorial is not helping


it feels like having another job to find all information u need about and it s scattered around youtube, twitter, this forum, reddit etc.


i shouldnt be detective with a lot of free time to learn basic of game


but again i am writing too much so let s make this really simple


People buy game
People play game
People get frustrated
- some people had enough and they re done with game or with future installments, they dont have enough free time for learning or just simply to refuse that

- some people invest a lot of time or they re just naturally gifted and they become very skilled players
- some people keep playing game even they never truly understands any mechanics at all


now u got company selling UFC game and as company they want profit


to achieve that they want their game to be popular
u basically have that u need a lot of paying customers who re satisfied
to achieve that u need to make sure u go extra mile with video game and make sure they can have good experience whatever is their skill level


i know for sure UFCdev n other devs they love their game and i personally dont understand after months or years of development, why such a complicated game doesnt have proper tutorial


and it s complicated, it s safe to say for most of people it s complicated, for elite players on this forum, of course it s not , it s easy for them, when they understand mechanics, when they have strong foundation, so even when some variable with some patch will change, they have such a deep understanding that it means absolutely no problem to them


if u cant even build that basic foundation due to not having time for detective work, then game is complicated and confusing


i think it s safe to say with playerbase going down from ufc2 to ufc3, that it s not probably the best idea to pursue whatever direction we re pursing right now and maybe it s time to change in some areas at least


but i would say this also thing like "simple submissions" in my opinion doesnt achieve anything, u can pretty much destroy controller with it but that s it, i never asked for dumbing down a game


i never complained about ufc2 ground game being too hard or whatever nonsense u re putting in my mouth, u re just evil "friend"


i tried to be describe as best i could problems and feelings one can have with dealing with ground game, because THERE ARE people who have big problem with it, there re reviews on Xbox Live for UFC2, UFC3 and people complain a lot about it


i am not writing this for u, who re u anyway? that s so funny, because i really dont have any idea who re u, i can look around, i can see some youtubers and top players etc. but who re u? u re just person who come out of nowhere attack me for no reason then brag like child about getting somebody banned, while real people can see right through u


and i am just thinking what s going on, why is this person attacking me? what s he getting out of this?


well big secret is english is not my language and that i guess makes me "mentally challenged" and that s why i have trouble with game and u re on other hand are shining beacon of humanity, compassion and empathy


i really wish that was the case, that ME was the only problem UFC3 got right now


that i am just bad and i refuse to make enough free time to have another job to learn all of mechanics of ufc3


but u know what it seems the most of people are just like me, they had enough, or they dont have time or they dont like to be neglected by such a simple basic things like alternate controls or missing tutorial


and if becoming top player means that one will turn into somebody like u, this weird toxic pool of acid or i cant even describe it


u re just evil and so are people who endorse such a communication, attacks, insults to other people out of blue, uncalled for


because u re good at some video game, doesnt give u right to humilate other people


u re not fooling anyone with ur "arguments"


there was a day when i thought Windows, computer, folders, files , internet etc was easy
then i had to teach people 50-60 years older from me how to use it


when u have to write everything down STEP BY STEP
"move cursor here" "Click here"
it will actually teach u how things are different, they re not what they seems to be, that there can be confussion and misunderstanding but u can overcome it by being as honest as possible as straight as possible as simple as possible
and then when u can see things from many perspectives, then u can try see objectivity and truth


so now these old people they can use computer,internet etc. because i provided them instructions they can use and understand


i taught them , they taught me in return
and i am happy for them, because that s what normal good people do, they re happy for other people when they learn new skill or new thing etc.


for evil people they will just keep hating people, calling them bad and stupid and "mentally challenged" and they will never try to help but they will humilate others so they can feel extraordinary and special and that s so childish and wrong but whatever, free will right?


so that s my understanding who re u "friend" and whoever endorse what u re doing, is there with u too


i have zero intention to read any "constructive posts" of yours, u attack people, u provide some phony cheap psychoanalysis and then u expect that i will use my free time to go throught ur posts?


that amount of negative energy u provided, that really shocked me and u know what i am done, do what u want, just remember how u treat others that eventually comes back to u


so congratulations from those 3-4 posts u got me all emo and now i think u re evil and that s about it


anyway i said everything i wanted and i thank to all good nice polite people here that took their time to provide any feedback and for evil people here i only got this:what s the point of it and what kind of reward u think u will get with that behaviour


god bless

As a player who was div 4 and worked his way into top 100 i identify with you. Practice mode and studying real life mechanics help. Gpd designed a realistic game. Retracted does help. I dont care for him but i wont lie about the 100+ hours he devoted to practicing with me. Solid altair also has answered every question I have. This game decision making is crucial. Bad decisions lead to punishment. Get rid of your bad decisions

[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Good news:
After some my discussion w admin Steve_OS, he found the way to unlock the cap of the posts up to 1000 from 300 limit, so you can find more GPD’s posts w Meta info for example!

Bad news:
Several people (who are from old times here and brought some good discussions) were banned during this thread. People from ONE side of discussion, BUT people from OTHER side of discussion were not WHILE using even more insulting personal words!

I don’t want to discuss moderation but this is 100% double standards and my question to MODERATORS is DO I need to Report insulting posts to bring mods attention to such posts or mods see no problems here? How long they will be banned?
I think this is very not logic and wrong that one side guys were banned but the other side guys who STARTED to insult others are not banned - this is 100% double standards. And honestly this is or can be forcing people to leave the forum
I was not going to report anybody in this thread until several good guys were banned.