i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Yeah but y’all are in serious denials if y’all think the tutorials shouldnt be better.

Madden/ Fifa have the right idea with specific drills that teach gameplay mechanics.

UD3 had that. That damn tire flipping drill forced me to learn that ****.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I learned all the animations and denials solo, but I dont think we can pretend it's super easy and intuitive.

I do think the animations are easily recognizable if given enough time to process what you're seeing, but since there's a pretty small time window in an actual fight it's really hard.

I really went out of my way to just clinch **** guys for like 2 weeks, and just grapple non stop, to slowely peice it all together. It was definitely a commitment to become fluent with it.

I didn't bother learning the clinch at all and I'm not going to either. But it's not fair for you to be fluent when I'm practically illiterate.

So here's a suggestion, 1 frame clinch breaks in 4 different directions from all clinch positions to balance out the playing field?

[oshighwayman]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

He insulted me directly and then said I needed reading comprehension, but failed to comprehend that I didn't even address him in that post.

He was previously banned user MalformedDC anyway.

I bet he's over in his bungalow screaming about how the mods are terrible.

Also, the clinch is much harder to learn than the ground denials because of the side switching. Something I actually am in favor of changing. I'd rather it be a red corner/blue corner thing than a left limb/right limb thing.

what about u stop insulting other people and hijacking this topic?
u dont really care about game at all?

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Well, if you had any interest in actually changing your opinion instead of looking for a place to lay complaints you’d know that I’ve put down a large number of constructive posts. I lost respect for you when you complained about the ground game in UFC 2 being too hard by virtue of the fact it took you a long time to master it. lmao You want the game to hand feed you skills to make up for your deficiencies.

Also, Haz still feeling the salt from the last time he took a swing and missed, I see. Hahaha.


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[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

And I have a message for you, friend. You aren’t a casual. You’ve already admitted you’ve been here for at least two installments and logged in a significant amount of time learning the mechanics. You’re on the Internet posting large amounts of text in a board dedicated to the game. You aren’t a casual, you’re just bad. And that’s a distinction many of you have yet to realize.

You think because you can’t grasp the mechanics on a meaningful level that you are a casual player. Everyone has a ceiling and tutorials aren’t going to help in any impactful way. Maybe give you an idea of some of the more tangential mechanics, but you will likely fail to master those as well.

These are harsh words, but they are also unequivocally true based on what you’ve told us.


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[SUGATA]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

what about u stop insulting other people and hijacking this topic?
u dont really care about game at all?

Very strange and not fair that some people are still not banned here after using personal insulting like "lier" and "f***" , but the other guys are getting banned. Such things are very frustrating and bad for forum atmosphere...

...I hope there are not a Double standards here from moderators...?

So, as Moderators are afk may be, i am using ignore list tool for those "heroes".

Dude, do NOT waste your gold irreplaceable time on such persons. Spend it on game feedback with constructive ideas, which are appreciated!

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Very strange and not fair that some people are still not banned here after using personal insulting like "lier" and "f***" , but the other guys are getting banned. Such things are very frustrating and bad for forum atmosphere...

Liar*

Too bad he blocked me, now he'll forever misspell that word and look silly.

...I hope there are not a Double standards here from moderators...?

So, as Moderators are afk may be, i am using ignore list tool for those "heroes".

He came up with the most obvious and absurd lie in an attempt to save face. I wasn't the only one to catch it either. To call him a liar at that point wasn't even an insult, it was more of an observation.

Feel free to report that post if it bothers any of you though.

Dude, do NOT waste your gold irreplaceable time on such persons. Spend it on game feedback with constructive ideas, which are appreciated!

Much appreciated, unless you disagree with him, then you obviously don't care about the game =D

what about u stop insulting other people and hijacking this topic?
u dont really care about game at all?

If irony was an edible this post would've solved world hunger.

[burningxspirit]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

And I have a message for you, friend. You aren’t a casual. You’ve already admitted you’ve been here for at least two installments and logged in a significant amount of time learning the mechanics. You’re on the Internet posting large amounts of text in a board dedicated to the game. You aren’t a casual, you’re just bad.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

what about u stop insulting other people and hijacking this topic?
u dont really care about game at all?

Didn't you just hijack this when a discussion was going on?

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Can we all just agree on a better practice mode and more drills that help teach/explain gameplay mechanics?

[tomitomitomi]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

It feels nice not to partake in the clown fiesta for once.

I'm kinda baffled by why the topic turned into whether casuals should be able to beat more experienced players. You can improve the casual players' experience without hindering the high-level gameplay. Kickboxing mode, improved tutorials and optional simplified controls are some such ways of doing it.

The issue with grappling/clinch is that it is not compelling at all unless you have spent the time to learn it. Yet, why would you bother learning a gameplay system that you don't enjoy? Obviously there should be a learning curve to it but the process of learning the fundamentals should also be fun in a video game. However, even most of the high level players seem dissatisfied with the grappling so really we should look towards a grappling rework that is actually enjoyable at face-value while still contains depth.

EDIT: As a random side comment that I guess might as well post here, people were often scrutinizing the game for going on sale so quickly after release. It was meant to indicate that the game was selling poorly but now FIFA is on sale literally a month after launch.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I'm kinda baffled by why the topic turned into whether casuals should be able to beat more experienced players. You can improve the casual players' experience without hindering the high-level gameplay. Kickboxing mode, improved tutorials and optional simplified controls are some such ways of doing it.

The issue with grappling/clinch is that it is not compelling at all unless you have spent the time to learn it. Yet, why would you bother learning a gameplay system that you don't enjoy? Obviously there should be a learning curve to it but the process of learning the fundamentals should also be fun in a video game.

Based on the last 15 pages, I think I can confidently say that it's not that obvious to everyone..

However, even most of the high level players seem dissatisfied with the grappling so really we should look towards a grappling rework that is actually enjoyable at face-value while still contains depth.

That's an entirely different topic.

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I entirely agree with what you said though..

[tomitomitomi]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Based on the last 15 pages, I think I can confidently say that it's not that obvious to everyone..

Touche.

That's an entirely different topic.

People also spent 15 pages arguing about the merits of the current grappling which was quite wasteful considering its state.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Touche.

;D

People also spent 15 pages arguing about the merits of the current grappling which was quite wasteful considering its state.

We definitely did not.

Our only point was that simplifying mechanics and purposely reducing the depth of a game in an attempt to reduce the skill gap between casuals and dedicated players is moronic.

I don't recall anyone arguing that the current system doesn't need changing.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

We definitely did not.

Our only point was that simplifying mechanics and purposely reducing the depth of a game in an attempt to reduce the skill gap between casuals and dedicated players is moronic.

I don't recall anyone arguing that the current system doesn't need changing.

You spent pages arguing about simplified controls simplifying denies, animation reading in general and the whole part about whether you need 2 controllers to learn the current grappling. All I'm saying is that I don't think there is a solution to fix the current grappling to make everyone happy so arguing about those things was wasteful.

So no, you did not argue in favor of the current system but still spent a lot of time arguing ZP's (and friends) weird ideas that really wouldn't fix the core issues. I think it would be more productive to discuss how a new system should function.