i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

What exactly aren’t you understanding here Romero? These are casuals that are not going to play the game for countless hours on end to learn all of the intricacies. Not a hard concept to grasp.

I seriously worry about Ret arded Monkey’s reading comprehension. Other posters have brought this up in the past as well. As I have stated already monkey, I have zero issues. These are issues that many people we know are experiencing.


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You don't need countless of hours.

I already said it took about 15 minutes to learn the way the denials work.

Literally took me 30-45 minutes to start to use the clinch effectively.

Striking is trial and error and just knowing how to adapt. I always play Career mode first before hopping on ranked for any game just to get a feel. That is another story.

It's not THAT much of a difficult process. If you spent your money on a game, might as well try to, you know, learn how to play.

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[Kingslayer04]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

There's nothing wrong with "the game not being for casual players". That being said, I can't say the principle of the ground and clinch game is "casual unfriendly". He flicks the right stick in one direction, you flick the right stick in the same direction while pressing R2 and you defend. You can visibly see where he tries to move to. If you fail to guess the direction he'll pass to the desired position. That's it.

Anyway, people have already said all there is to say on the matter a hundred times. What I was thinking was how I'm thinking about the next game having this fluid, multi-faceted, intricate grappling and clinch, with new positions and different stages to these positions in which you'll have to figure what the right decision is out of many, e.g how one avoids submissions, turn in the direction of the choke instead of panicking, or spin to avoid a heel hook, or be mindful of what guard to use in what moment; also single legs being held, maintaining balance one one leg, pushing people to the fence as you hold their leg, struggles, sprawls, rocks on the ground, sways on the ground, punches off the break DC style that leave you knocked out, flash submissions and a million other things...

...and in the meantime some people want a system based on "guess left-right-up-down" to be further simplified and to not even have to guess.

[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I thought it was clear that guessing under the current system is laughable

Again, your proposed system is literally guessing.

because of the advantage non casuals have over casuals with the recognition
of small movements that need to be reacted to quickly to be effective currently.

The skill gap is way bigger in striking, but you know, keep contradicting yourself and making ridiculous arguments if that's what you're into

[Zeta Reticulan1]

i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

You don't need countless of hours.

I already said it took about 15 minutes to learn the way the denials work.

Literally took me 30-45 minutes to start to use the clinch effectively.

Striking is trial and error and just knowing how to adapt. I always play Career mode first before hopping on ranked for any game just to get a feel. That is another story.

It's not THAT much of a difficult process. If you spent your money on a game, might as well try to, you know, learn how to play.

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With two controllers. And as oshighwayman already stated, not everyone is able to pick these game mechanics up so easily. Oshighwayman stated it was not so easy for him. There are others earlier in the thread who have mentioned having problems as well.

Take your blinders off guys. If this trend of increasing complexity continues for UFC 4, there will be an even smaller player base and we’ll likely see the end of EA UFC.


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[DaisukEasy]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

With two controllers. And as oshighwayman already stated, not everyone is able to pick these game mechanics up so easily. Oshighwayman stated it was not so easy for him. There are others earlier in the thread who have mentioned having problems as well.

Not everyone is able to go to university and graduate with straight A's, that doesn't mean you have to lower the ****ing bar.

Take your blinders off guys. If this trend of increasing complexity continues for UFC 4, there will be an even smaller player base and we’ll likely see the end of EA UFC.

The exact opposite has been true for other games. But you know, you're clearly a marketing genius.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

What exactly aren’t you understanding here Romero? These are casuals that are not going to play the game for countless hours on end to learn all of the intricacies. Not a hard concept to grasp.

I seriously worry about Ret arded Monkey’s reading comprehension. Other posters have brought this up in the past as well. As I have stated already monkey, I have zero issues. These are issues that many people we know are experiencing.


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I think it's gonna be the second time you've gotten banned for taking a swing at me. This is basically the crux of your issues in this topic as well: you don't learn.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

With two controllers. And as oshighwayman already stated, not everyone is able to pick these game mechanics up so easily. Oshighwayman stated it was not so easy for him. There are others earlier in the thread who have mentioned having problems as well.

Take your blinders off guys. If this trend of increasing complexity continues for UFC 4, there will be an even smaller player base and we’ll likely see the end of EA UFC.


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I learned the clinch literally a few weeks ago solo lmao.

Please stop saying the whole two controllers thing like it has any merit. You don't have friends to play with? That sounds like a personal problem, if I wasn't playing with my brother I played with my friends, made parties and helped each other out. Still do. And before UFC 3, I learned almost everything on UFC 2 Solo up until I stumbled upon Martial Mind's videos. Cut it out with that.

People look things up for other games too, there's no shame in googling or going on YouTube if you need to understand something, gamers do it all the time.

The basic stuff are not that complicated, but I'll agree with regards to the complex things that need to be explained like: the contextual transitions in depth, momentum transitions, and a tutorial for slip counters and undeniable TDs.

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[Haz_____]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I learned all the animations and denials solo, but I dont think we can pretend it's super easy and intuitive. I really went out of my way to just clinch **** guys for like 2 weeks, and just grapple non stop, to slowely peice it all together. It was definitely a commitment to become fluent with it.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I learned all the animations and denials solo, but I dont think we can pretend it's super easy and intuitive. I really went out of my way to just clinch **** guys for like 2 weeks, and just grapple non stop, to slowely peice it all together. It was definitely a commitment to become fluent with it.

Learning is a process indeed.

I notice Zeta got banned. Not surprised.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Learning is a process indeed.

I notice Zeta got banned. Not surprised.

Yeah but y’all are in serious denials if y’all think the tutorials shouldnt be better.

Madden/ Fifa have the right idea with specific drills that teach gameplay mechanics.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Learning is a process indeed.

I notice Zeta got banned. Not surprised.

He insulted me directly and then said I needed reading comprehension, but failed to comprehend that I didn't even address him in that post.

He was previously banned user MalformedDC anyway.

I bet he's over in his bungalow screaming about how the mods are terrible.

Also, the clinch is much harder to learn than the ground denials because of the side switching. Something I actually am in favor of changing. I'd rather it be a red corner/blue corner thing than a left limb/right limb thing.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Yeah but y’all are in serious denials if y’all think the tutorials shouldnt be better.

Madden/ Fifa have the right idea with specific drills that teach gameplay mechanics.

Literally no one is arguing that and we've all said a good tutorial would be great. The point is, if a casual was going to be good, he would be good. No tutorial is going to transform a bum into a world class player.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

He insulted me directly and then said I needed reading comprehension, but failed to comprehend that I didn't even address him in that post.

He was previously banned user MalformedDC anyway.

I bet he's over in his bungalow screaming about how the mods are terrible.

Also, the clinch is much harder to learn than the ground denials because of the side switching. Something I actually am in favor of changing. I'd rather it be a red corner/blue corner thing than a left limb/right limb thing.

100% agree having it be a red corner blue corner thing.

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[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

I play local 2 player with a bunch of different friends and 95% are as casual as can be and I find they all pick up the striking very quickly.

Grappling not so much. But that doesn't seem to appeal to many of them either, they want to kickbox usually.

I don't think the game is overly complex.
However I DO think the game has some complex systems that are beyond poorly explained.

And therein is the issue.
We just need proper, in depth tutorials and things of the like for new players as opposed to simplification.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: i feel like this game is not for casual players at all

Literally no one is arguing that and we've all said a good tutorial would be great. The point is, if a casual was going to be good, he would be good. No tutorial is going to transform a bum into a world class player.

But what’s the first step from turning a casual into a world class player? You’d have to introduce him to the mechanics. The game itself should do that. It shouldnt be a player’s responsibility to discover all of the momentum transitions when they’re a big part of grappling meta.

A better tutorial definitely wont save 90% of casuals from complaining but it’d go a long way for a lot that have no idea this forum even exists

Dont we all want more players / more skilled players?

I agree with both sides. The game is very deep(it should be because MMA is infinitely deep) and I dont think it does a good enough job introducing things to new players.

I also think most players that truly want to be competitive will go out of their way to find all the info they can. But I think that’s a lot to expect/ask from everyone.