OS Official UFC Undisputed Strategy and Help Thread

[MC Fatigue]

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I think it's stupid, and I would never do it.

However, if someone's doing it to me I either counter it, or back out and kick them in the ****ing head to using a bull**** tactic. I don't really complain about it though, I can get out of it.

[Stumbleweed]

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Yep, as long as there isn't crippling lag, I can always get out of that.

It's BS though, and I hate when people do it simply because the game is too animation-based and you can't start your next punch or recover to block while you're getting hit. If that wasn't an issue, then I wouldn't have any problem with that. But I really don't care in the end... I'll just step away and then try to get the fight to the ground and own it that way.

[popttart]

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well, its a realistic tactic, and all you gotta do is grapple, push off or take them to the ground

[popttart]

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yeah, well, it is in a way cheap, but thing is, you have the same chance to do it to him, but yah, i will knock there body all over, once they back out, tackle them and get to mount, you usaully lower there stanima enough where it doesnt recover as fast, so it makes it easier to sub them.

[MC Fatigue]

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well, its a realistic tactic, and all you gotta do is grapple, push off or take them to the ground

It's not realistic at all - I've never seen a fight in which the other fighter is stunned by every single punch to the body. It's a gameflaw by THQ that needs to be fixed next year.

However, you can eventually pull yourself out of it - but you should be able to punch or clinch while being hit, instead of freezing.

[popttart]

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Yep, as long as there isn't crippling lag, I can always get out of that.

It's BS though, and I hate when people do it simply because the game is too animation-based and you can't start your next punch or recover to block while you're getting hit. If that wasn't an issue, then I wouldn't have any problem with that. But I really don't care in the end... I'll just step away and then try to get the fight to the ground and own it that way.

hey, do you get on much?. i wana fight, you know your stuff, it should be a good fight

[popttart]

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It's not realistic at all - I've never seen a fight in which the other fighter is stunned by every single punch to the body. It's a gameflaw by THQ that needs to be fixed next year.

However, you can eventually pull yourself out of it - but you should be able to punch or clinch while being hit, instead of freezing.

just grapple them, its easy, i do it all the time. or know your stuff, know which punches are faster and bring it to them.

[Stumbleweed]

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Except that you can't always grapple them because you're busy being stuck in the "ow, I'm getting hit!" animation and it overrides your attempts. But yes, that's the way to stop it... pull them into the clinch after catching it.

As far as playing you, you really don't have to ask me that every other post. Send me a Friend Request on XBL if you want to, and we'll probably play eventually. I'm not exactly seeking you out thought after that little explosion in the league thread and Phobia's experience when playing you. He and I are on the same page with most things, and if he really didn't enjoy himself, I probably wouldn't either. I'll give you a chance though.

[MC Fatigue]

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just grapple them, its easy, i do it all the time. or know your stuff, know which punches are faster and bring it to them.

That doesn't matter - it's still a flaw that THQ needs to fix. Like I said - I can get out of it, but it's bull**** to have to deal with in the first place.

[popttart]

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your list is full, and phobia didn't give me a chance. you wil have to delete someone

[TMagic]

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What do you guys consider to be the most effective styles in terms of striking and grappling?

Like could someone list possible positives and negatives about each style.

I want to start a career, but not sure which would be the best for me in regards to each style as I'm a noob to this sport.

Thanks fellas.

[popttart]

Re: OS Official UFC Undisputed Strategy and Help Thread

What do you guys consider to be the most effective styles in terms of striking and grappling?

Like could someone list possible positives and negatives about each style.

I want to start a career, but not sure which would be the best for me in regards to each style as I'm a noob to this sport.

Thanks fellas.

you on right now

[sb24]

Re: OS Official UFC Undisputed Strategy and Help Thread

What do you guys consider to be the most effective styles in terms of striking and grappling?

Like could someone list possible positives and negatives about each style.

I want to start a career, but not sure which would be the best for me in regards to each style as I'm a noob to this sport.

Thanks fellas.

Boxing: You get special hooks and an uppercut.
Kickboxing: Superman punches, high leg kicks
Muay Thai(sp): No special punches, power knees and high kicks

Wrestling: Great slams, Couple special transitions.
Judo: Good trips. good ground game.
Bjj: Great ground game. From your back you can go to full mount

Thats simple and basic but theres a good amount of details and special moves for all of them. I would start out as a kickboxer and Judo. But thats just me.

[MC Fatigue]

Re: OS Official UFC Undisputed Strategy and Help Thread

What do you guys consider to be the most effective styles in terms of striking and grappling?

Like could someone list possible positives and negatives about each style.

I want to start a career, but not sure which would be the best for me in regards to each style as I'm a noob to this sport.

Thanks fellas.

Striking - I'd say Kickboxing, but Muay-Thai knees can be deadly, so it's a tough call there.

Grappling - definitely BJJ. You can fight from any position.

What's best for you is honestly up to you. Do you like picking people up and slamming them? Go wrestling. You like fighting off your back and submitting or reversing to full guard? BJJ. Like big throws from the clinch and some cool ground transitions? Judo.

Play them all and see what you like.

[Stumbleweed]

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BJJ

• Can sweep from both Half Guard positions, Side Control, North/South, Mount Down, Full Mount -- this makes it fairly easy to get an advantage... all it takes is 1 successful transition and you're in control on the ground.
  
• Can submit from almost every position, including "arm catch" submissions. They also have multiple choices in several positions, so you have more variety in submissions... for example, in North/South, you have the Kimura as well as the signature North/South choke.
  
• Rubber Guard... the most deadly ground position in the game. You can get easy Triangle Choke submissions from this position, or you can minor transition (to back side control) or major transition (to full mount). It's tough to get out of for the opponent and again, all it takes is 1 successful transition from there and you have control of the fight.

There really isn't a real disadvantage to BJJ when on the ground. They don't have power transitions or throws like wrestlers/Judokas, but that also removes the threat of those grapple counters that lead to easy submissions, etc. The only real problem with BJJ is that all you have in the clinch is the option to pull them into guard. It's still useful, but not nearly as nice as having 4 trip/throw options from the clinch like the other disciplines do.

Judo

• I covered a lot of this already, but Judokas are great at getting out of bad trouble on the ground. The signature transitions from guard down, north/south, and full mount are very useful, and you can actually bait people with them by letting them get you to a bad position quickly and then flipping the script with a signature transition.
  
• They're basically wrestlers submission-wise in that they only have 1 choice per position and generally don't have submissions from bad positions. They do have the punch counter submission from open guard though, which is certainly useful for people who just like to lie there and throw elbows.
  
• They have a great clinch game with several quick trips as well as powerful throws that all leave you in half guard or better (normally you end in side control). However, these are easily countered and can result in submissions attempts... definitely a double-edged sword. Still better in the clinch than BJJ though.

Wrestling

• Wrestling is based on power, so you have signature transitions from several positions that result in slams or other unusual transitions. From open guard you can LB transition to standing guard where you can punish them with big strikes. From close guard, you can do a signature LB transition slam that will take to you standing guard. From Sprawl offense, you have a power bomb, which is always fun. They're also generally strong and can escape submissions via power, which sometimes (armbar) causes damage to the guy attempting the sub. Also, from sprawl defense, you can power your way and tackle them into open guard.
  
• My favorite part of wrestling BY FAR is the signature transitions from half guard up, side control, and north/south that result in full mount. Hold LB + minor transition and you get there with a single transition. This means that you can take them down and be to mount with only 2 transitions. If you slam them into side control, all you need is 1 successful transition and boom, you're in mount.
  
• The problem with wrestlers is that their submissions skills are generally pretty limited... even if they have good skills, the moves are only available in certain positions. Also, if you are mounted or in another bad position, it's difficult to get out without a signature transition that will flip them over... pretty much have to try for reversals.
  
• They're strong in the clinch in that they also have 4 different directions with slams/trips, like Judokas. Their slams in particular are very strong and tend to do a lot of damage. However, like Judo, you leave yourself open to counter grapples where they either stuff your slam and end up in side control or actually reverse it into a submission (Guillotine Choke), which is easier to lock in that most others.

I'll do my take on the striking shortly... I'll make another post. I'll say that my favorite combinations for skills are:

Kickboxing + Judo -- very strong standing, lots of strikes (including head kicks), the ability to get it to the ground easily (where KB guys often have signature strikes), and the ability to still submit the other person as well as get out of serious trouble.

MT + BJJ -- Still have high kicks, have 2 choices of striking clinches (MT clinch or single-collar tie), can submit from almost every position, can reverse easily, can get out of trouble easily.

Boxing + Wrestling -- Easily transition to full mount due to the signature transitions, then boxers are the best at finishing from mount IMO due to the signature LB strikes they have. You can sort of combo them together and just rain down BRUTAL blows where they have no chance to get out... see my Edgar-Diaz fight video posted in the RITC: Team West thread for a good look at that.