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[Phobia]

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This has been an issue for a long time. It's nothing new, but her coming out vocalizing it publically was a bad move (You need to be a strong role model, not showing her personal weakness that 1 moment of failure means ending it all). She is extremely talented, good looking, has made huge impacts for the sport, large amounts of money, and is very famous. She needs to really be evaluated if one single loss sends you to this mental state.

I had a close buddy who's dad committed suicide and it was always this lingering deal which he couldn't cope with. Well, three years ago he killed his self on his dad's anniversary of committing suicide.

I say this because it seems common that children of parents who have committed suicide are more likely to gravitate to that solution as well.

At the end of the day, it is sad, a beautiful girl with amazing talent who has self-image/confidence issues.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Didn't she lose in Judo? I wonder if all her losses had this kind of effect on her

I think it stems from her and her mom being winners and dominant for decades. When you been dominant for so long it gives you that mindset that the world is yours. She has been winning medals since 2001, so therefore she has always had it her way for a long time.

She got 33 gold medals, 3 silver medals and 5 bronze medals in Judo since 2001. So yeah, she is definitely NOT use to losing.

[p_rushing]

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Didn't she lose in Judo? I wonder if all her losses had this kind of effect on her

She blew through her Olympics money on drugs and was living in her car. In Judo she was unknown and didn't really have any pressure or a name outside of Judo people.

[The JareBear]

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I am sure a lot of fighters will tell you that following a championship title fight loss you are at rock bottom. I wonder how many other fighters have had moments of weakness like that following a loss but just won't admit it. Keep in mind that AT THAT MOMENT her entire UNIVERSE had just been freaking INCINERATED. As far as other fighters reaching suicidal levels? No, maybe not common, but looking at her quote, word for word, she is conveying what was going through her mind directly after what must be the 2nd most traumatic moment of her life (I would assume the most traumatic moment being her father's passing). It's definitely very concerning, but I applaud her for being open about it. Frankly I would like to see the whole interview before passing judgment or jumping to a conclusion. In the same interview it sounds like she gives Holly credit for rocking her in the first exchange and basically just getting dominated the rest of the fight. At least she isn't going with a "oh I was sick, I was injured" routine.

I haven't given up on Ronda. She clearly does have some very real demons. She's a human being. Hopefully she has some sort of strong support in her inner circle. Sounds like she really likes Travis, that's cool, good for her. I would like to think her "four horsewomen" (I hate that nickname) pals are real friends and not just coattail riders.

[aholbert32]

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Ok enough is enough.

This is what she said:

"Honestly, my thought in the medical room, I was sitting in the corner and was like, 'What am I anymore if I'm not this?'" Rousey said. "Literally sitting there thinking about killing myself. In that exact second, I'm like, 'I'm nothing. What do I do anymore? No one gives a s--- about me anymore without this.'"

"I looked up and saw my man, Travis, was standing there," Rousey said. "I'm looking up at him and was just like, 'I need to have his babies. I need to stay alive.'"


To summarize, she just lost in an extremely humiliating and brutal fashion. She has always been identified as a judoka/fighter and recognized that most of the attention that she gets is because she was an elite fighter. This was a life changing moment and she wondered if she could go on if she wasnt that person anymore...then she saw someone she loved and realized that she didnt want to do that.

I'm dumbfounded that someone would consider that "mentally weak." She didnt say that she took some pills to OD. Or slit her wrists. Or put a gun to her head. She said she thought about it.

Now I'm sure everyone of you guys are mental superman who never thought about suicide when you had a rough period in your life but there are hundreds of thousands who have. That doesnt make you weak. Especially when you are strong enough to recognize that you have alot more to live for.

Whats funny is alot of yall are part of the problem. I have been in this forum since Steve started it and I have NEVER seen people rejoice as much as when Rousey lost. Ive seen other cocky over exposed fighters like Evans and Silva lose and never seen a reaction like that here. People who never visit the MMA forum were coming in here posting memes and celebrating as if this was the greatest thing that happened to the sport.

Now take that reaction and multiply it by a million. Thats what was happening the weeks after the fight. So I'm not going to knock her because they thought of suicide entered her mind and then she snapped out of it.

[aholbert32]

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She blew through her Olympics money on drugs and was living in her car. In Judo she was unknown and didn't really have any pressure or a name outside of Judo people.

She didnt do drugs because of depression. She was a young girl in her 20s who didnt have much of a childhood and she partied. Most young adults go through similar phases.

[Phobia]

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I disagree completely and I mean COMPLETELY!

I was and still am a Ronda fan! Yet this is not something new PLUS what made it even worse for me was the comment AFTER. "I want to have his babies" as if that was going to solve everything and mentally breaking to the point of wanting to end your life will be solved by children.

For the record, I don't EVER think it's healthy to considered off-ing yourself. That is not normal especially when you have the accolades she has.

[aholbert32]

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I disagree completely and I mean COMPLETELY!

I was and still am a Ronda fan! Yet this is not something new PLUS what made it even worse for me was the comment AFTER. "I want to have his babies" as if that was going to solve everything and mentally breaking to the point of wanting to end your life will be solved by children.

For the record, I don't EVER think its healthy to considered off-ing yourself. That is not normal especially when you have the accolades she has.

Yet sooooooo many consider it.

50% of college students in the survey felt suicidal

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/DepressionNews/50-college-students-felt-suicidal/story?id=5603837

In 2009, statistics showed that 8.3 million people STRONGLY considered suicide:

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/09/18/suicide-rates-unchanged-but-lots-more-think-about-it/

Whats funny is I wouldnt even consider what Rousey said a STRONG consideration. I remember I when I was in my 20s and went through a bad breakup, I thought about it but then I realized what that would do to my family and the people that love me and that thought went quickly out my mind.

You are also taking the quote wrong. She wants to have a family with that man. That is one of the reasons why she wouldnt do it. She found love and wants to build on that love. How is that a negative?

[redsox4evur]

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[Phobia]

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Yea and suicide is the second leading cause of death for people of college to middle age so obviously there is a big issue. It is part of this whole "everyone wins" mentality that has transpired in our current culture. Every little league soccer player getting a trophy even when finishing last. This doesn't breed young adults with the mental tools to maintain a healthy outlook on losing.

Ronda has followed a destructive pattern when she can't cope with loss. She did it with drugs after the Olympics and she did it again after Holly. Sure it was just a "moment of thought" but that doesn't show strong mental ability to maintain what is worth living far.

I'll leave it like this, obviously suicide is a part of her life she can never escape with her father. She has admitted being low enough to "think" it, so would you rather risk not having her evaluated to later find out that "thought" she turned into fruition?

[aholbert32]

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Yea and suicide is the second leading cause of death for people of college to middle age so obviously there is a big issue. It is part of this whole "everyone wins" mentality that has transpired in our current culture. Every little league soccer player getting a trophy even when finishing last. This doesn't breed young adults with the mental tools to maintain a healthy outlook on losing.

Ronda has followed a destructive pattern when she can't cope with loss. She did it with drugs after the Olympics and she did it again after Holly. Sure it was just a "moment of thought" but that doesn't show strong mental ability to maintain what is worth living far.

I'll leave it like this, obviously suicide is a part of her life she can never escape with her father. She has admitted being low enough to "think" it, so would you rather risk not having her evaluated to later find out that "thought" she turned into fruition?

These stats have been consistent since the year 2000. I was in my 20's then and my generation definitely wasnt "everybody wins". LOL.

Its sad that people associate people experimenting drugs as "weak minded". That means we have millions of weak minded people (40% of the country) and that group includes presidents/CEO/Supreme Court Justices. Also, I wonder how many people would be judging Rousey if she said "I drank alot after the Olympics". Drugs have such a weird stigma with certain people.

Also, who said she hasnt been "evaluated" or ever talked to a professional? You are just assuming that right?

[Gotmadskillzson]

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In other news Rampage returning to Bellator because technically he is still under contract with them. It was either that or he would have had to pay them back close to 1 million dollars.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Qui...reement-100305

[aholbert32]

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In other news Rampage returning to Bellator because technically he is still under contract with them. It was either that or he would have had to pay them back close to 1 million dollars.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Qui...reement-100305

Good thing is its only two fights. I bet he's back in the UFC by next year.

[p_rushing]

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These stats have been consistent since the year 2000. I was in my 20's then and my generation definitely wasnt "everybody wins". LOL.

Its sad that people associate people experimenting drugs as "weak minded". That means we have millions of weak minded people (40% of the country) and that group includes presidents/CEO/Supreme Court Justices. Also, I wonder how many people would be judging Rousey if she said "I drank alot after the Olympics". Drugs have such a weird stigma with certain people.

Drugs, same with alcohol, are used because it makes you feel good and/or forget about your problems. Using small enough where you are still able to maintain a normal life, I would call experimenting. Living in your car because you spent all your money and don't have a job I wouldn't call experimenting.

[Phobia]

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These stats have been consistent since the year 2000. I was in my 20's then and my generation definitely wasnt "everybody wins". LOL.

Its sad that people associate people experimenting drugs as "weak minded". That means we have millions of weak minded people (40% of the country) and that group includes presidents/CEO/Supreme Court Justices. Also, I wonder how many people would be judging Rousey if she said "I drank alot after the Olympics". Drugs have such a weird stigma with certain people.

Also, who said she hasnt been "evaluated" or ever talked to a professional? You are just assuming that right?

100% assuming and for her sake I hope she has. I will get a little deeper into this in one sec.

Now, we can debate on the topic till we are both blue in the face. We both have our view points on the subject matter, but I want to spin it a little different to get your/others thoughts.

Wouldn't Dana and the UFC pretty much be forced to have her evaluated now that she has brought this out publically? The reason I see so, media alone would tear the UFC apart if by some rare chance she did fight, lose, then did something stupid. It would be a media whirl wind of "all the signs were there, they did nothing"......."She openly said to the world she was dealing with suicidal thoughts"...yadda yadda yadda.