Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

I swear UFC fans have short memories. How can anyone say this was close to the worst UFC title fight ever? Was Silva/Leites that long ago? Was it Bonner/Griffin? No, but the two guys styles will never equal an exciting fight.

Rua fought a brilliant strategic fight and found perhaps the only whole in Machida's style. If you press the action against Machida, you get knocked out.

As is evidenced by his career ~30% knockout percentage? (And that number is even inflated thanks to a doctor's stoppage and a guy being TKO'd by exhaustion.)

It's a bit ironic to criticize some people for short memories when you yourself have turned Machida into this knockout king based almost entirely on his two most recent fights before this one, you know?

[allBthere]

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I wanted Machida to win so even with a potentially biased opinion, - Rua got hosed. Rua won that fight, there is no way to say that he didn't - machida arguably could have won 1 round - but that's it, he didn't do much.

edit - I liked the fight and didn't think it was boring at all, I though Rua exposed Machida a bit.

one more thing; I do also think that Machida wasn't 100% for whatever reason, as athletes have from time to time, I think he was having an 'off' night. He didn't go for it when he had the chance and he had a few.
but I thought the fight was really exciting strategy wise.

[aholbert32]

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As is evidenced by his career ~30% knockout percentage? (And that number is even inflated thanks to a doctor's stoppage and a guy being TKO'd by exhaustion.)

It's a bit ironic to criticize some people for short memories when you yourself have turned Machida into this knockout king based almost entirely on his two most recent fights before this one, you know?

LOL...didnt call him a knockout king but whatever. I should have said "stopped" instead of KOd. I can only speak on his UFC fights and in the 3 fights where his opponents pressed the action he stopped them (Soko, Evans and Silva). That makes his stoppage percentage 100% for people who pressure him (66% if you just count KOs). The Tito fight is the only fight where someone in the UFC somewhat was the aggressor and did not get stopped and its pretty much accepted that Machida dominated that fight. A KO king would be someone who knocks people out whether their opponent is the aggressor or waiting to counter.

[JerseySuave4]

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i didnt think the fight was boring at all, i thought it was good except for Rua getting hosed.

[DueceDiggla]

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Just finished watching the PPV.


1. Barry should drop to LHW.

2. I'm still not buying the Cain hype. His stand up has a lot of holes, and I don't think he is a safe bet against a BJJ guy. He doesn't have a controlled ground game. I would like to see him fight a guy like Mir or Nog. With that said, I still think he has a ways to go before he can challenge Brock. They're both the same style of fighter, but Brock is much bigger and has heavier hands.


3. Worst decision in UFC I have ever seen. I honestly wouldn't give any round to Machida. Round 2 was the only round where Rua may not have won, but Machida did nothing but back up. I thought it was a thing of beauty watching Rua pick apart Machida with a perfect strategy. I can't see any way Machida wins the rematch unless he connects with a flash KO, or knee in the clinch. Both are unlikely.

[goh]

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Shogun didn't exactly do much either. Did he knock Machida down? No. Did he take him down? No. Did he rock him with a strike? No. Machida didn't do any of those things either. Even people that have Shogun winning don't agree what rounds he won,that's because it was a close fight.

Rule #1: Never let it go to the judges.
Rule #2: To be the man,you've gotta beat the man.

Under Pride rules Shogun probably would've won. Under old UFC rules it would've went another 5 minutes and probably would've been a draw. Since it's under current MMA rules Shogun didn't win and Machida didn't lose.

Since there's going to be a rematch anyway...

Both guys fought hard,God bless and goodnight!

[ex carrabba fan]

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Riiiiight. I agree with about 0% of your post.

Machida's lip/mouth area was pretty cut up, and his ribs are either extremely bruised or cracked.

[LingeringRegime]

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I didn't think the fight was boring at all. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. It was like watching Ryu vs. Sagat.

[Phillmattic]

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I didn't think the fight was boring at all. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. It was like watching Ryu vs. Sagat.

Yeah I'm really surprised some people thought it was boring. The main event saved what was pretty much a lackluster PPV.

[Coug00]

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Riiiiight. I agree with about 0% of your post.

Machida's lip/mouth area was pretty cut up, and his ribs are either extremely bruised or cracked.

Since when does a split lip and inflammation equal a knockdown, a takedown, or being rocked?

You may not agree with Goh, but he's right. Rua was never able to get Machida off his feet despite attempting 3 takedowns and he never had him close to being KO'd or rocked. Rua's strategy was nearly perfect, but it had one chink in the armor...it left the fight up to the judges against the champ.

[DueceDiggla]

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Since when does a split lip and inflammation equal a knockdown, a takedown, or being rocked?

You may not agree with Goh, but he's right. Rua was never able to get Machida off his feet despite attempting 3 takedowns and he never had him close to being KO'd or rocked. Rua's strategy was nearly perfect, but it had one chink in the armor...it left the fight up to the judges against the champ.

He didn't make a mistake by leaving it up to the judges. Stop repeating what Dana said. The point of fighting is to win, whether it be decision or not and everyone agrees that Shogun won.

You guys are justifying this horrible decision because he left it up to the judges? Give me a break. Forrest got rocked more then once, and left it up to the judges but he still was given the win against Rampage.

[aholbert32]

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He didn't make a mistake by leaving it up to the judges. Stop repeating what Dana said. The point of fighting is to win, whether it be decision or not and everyone agrees that Shogun won.

You guys are justifying this horrible decision because he left it up to the judges? Give me a break. Forrest got rocked more then once, and left it up to the judges but he still was given the win against Rampage.

Exactly. The point of fighting (MMA or Boxing) is to win. Whether its by winning more rounds or by KO. Pretty much everyone agrees that Rua won more rounds then Machida. Rua fought the fight he was supposed to. Its not his fault the judges screwed up the decision.

[Mossfan8480]

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The commentary during the main event was so unintentionally biased that it made it hard to see how Machida could have won the fight; which is why so many people not only feel Rua won the fight, but was "robbed".

If one based their judgment of who won solely on the audio of the fight, there is no way you could not come away thinking Rua got "Macheated". But if you watch the fight again with the sound off, it's easy to see how Machida could have won the first three rounds, and quite possibly even the fifth.

Last night, after watching the fight live, I had Shogun winning by the score of 48-47, at least. But after watching it again today, without sound, I gave the nod to Machida 48-47, and could have given him the fifth and final round if I went with my gut.

For those who think Rua won decisively, give it a shot, see what you think about the fight after watching it without listening to Goldberg and Rogan. It might change your mind, or it might not, either way it was an incredibly hard fight to judge and all the intense backlash against the judges is unwarranted (even though Cecil Peoples was involved).

Even still, the immediate rematch is necessary.

[DueceDiggla]

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The commentary during the main event was so unintentionally biased that it made it hard to see how Machida could have won the fight; which is why so many people not only feel Rua won the fight, but was "robbed".

If one based their judgment of who won solely on the audio of the fight, there is no way you could not come away thinking Rua got "Macheated". But if you watch the fight again with the sound off, it's easy to see how Machida could have won the first three rounds, and quite possibly even the fifth.

Last night, after watching the fight live, I had Shogun winning by the score of 48-47, at least. But after watching it again today, without sound, I gave the nod to Machida 48-47, and could have given him the fifth and final round if I went with my gut.

For those who think Rua won decisively, give it a shot, see what you think about the fight after watching it without listening to Goldberg and Rogan. It might change your mind, or it might not, either way it was an incredibly hard fight to judge and all the intense backlash against the judges is unwarranted (even though Cecil Peoples was involved).

Even still, the immediate rematch is necessary.

Well everyone in the arena watched the fight without sound, including Rogan and Goldberg and they were all booing the hell out of the decision at the end of the fight.

And Rogan and Goldberg were all over Machida's nuts before the fight began, but Shogun was winning so clearly that they had no other choice but to constantly talk about how Shogun was winning throughout the fight.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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Machida didn't win the fight but IMO it's not an overwhelming screwjob because Shogun didn't exactly do anything mindblowing, if anything it was a draw. I thought they both did damage and had their bright spots.

As sad as it is, as in boxing with MMA when a title fight goes the entire distance the challenger has to clearly and overwhelmingly win a majority of rounds to get the decision...the judges will always favor the champ.

I'm all in favor of a rematch, I think it's only fair to Shogun and I'm sure Machida would want it too.

Shogun did have a good strategy...he just couldn't get Machida to the ground when he came in close.

It was refresing to see someone be aggressive with Lyoto and try to engage. No matter what Lyoto might say, I have to believe it def. threw him off...wasn't expecting that.