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  • Phillmattic
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    • May 2003
    • 1071

    #316
    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

    Again I'll say this. Everyone was expecting Maia to get beat to a pulp, and disposed of quickly. Even seconds before the fight the discussion was of Silva fighting GSP. The point of this fight was basically for Silva to defend his belt, so people couldn't say Silva isn't defending his belt, and hold us over until Vitor recovers. This fight should have never been made. If the UFC wanted Silva on the card to put on a show they should have just given him another fight at 205.

    What happened? Maia was beat to a pulp and disposed of quickly, only difference is Silva chose not to leave him sprawled out unconscious on the canvas. But, honestly the result was the same.

    Silva had nothing to gain by winning this fight. He was basically put out there to "put on a show", and that he did.

    Was it unprofessional? Absolutely. But you really can't question Silva's skills or abilities. You can definitely question his character.
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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #317
      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      Huh? So is he nothing but a counter puncher or what?

      I agree that he isn't taking risks as much these days, but you still called him nothing but a counter puncher in one post, then proceed to post that in another?

      Not taking risks anymore and "nothing but a counter puncher" are different things.

      Put him against a guy who will compete with him and this won't happen. How is all of the blame on Silva when Maia didn't do much of anything either?

      Like I said I'm not 100% behind Silva but he secured a decision and fought smartly. Once you put him against a guy who is willing to do something we'll see that Silva deserves his #1 p4p title.

      Cmon EX, you arent that thick. I said it clearly he is nothing but a counter puncher because he chooses to be one. He has chosen to be one since the Henderson fight. All the fights I named in that post were BEFORE the Henderson fight.

      Why does Silva have to fight a certain type of fighter to finish a fight? Why is Silva the only fighter that gets that excuse? GSP has fought wrestlers (Hughes and Fitch), BJJ guys (Serra), Strikers (Alves and Hardy) and he's stopped or dominated all of them. No one has to handpick opponents for GSP. He doesnt not try to finish a fight just because he doesnt feel challenged or a guy isnt coming forward. Its a bull**** excuse.

      Maia wasnt running from Silva...he just wasnt initiating strikes. Why? Because he isnt a striker and he knows all Silva is waiting for is a counter. Why would he run in there and do that if he wants to win. Silva had two options to win this fight. 1) Use his vastly superior striking, timing and speed to destroy Maia on his feet or 2) Use those skills to glide to a boring decision. He chose #2 and he did the same thing against Leites and Cote.

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      • aholbert32
        (aka Alberto)
        • Jul 2002
        • 33106

        #318
        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

        Originally posted by Phillmattic
        Again I'll say this. Everyone was expecting Maia to get beat to a pulp, and disposed of quickly. Even seconds before the fight the discussion was of Silva fighting GSP. The point of this fight was basically for Silva to defend his belt, so people couldn't say Silva isn't defending his belt, and hold us over until Vitor recovers. This fight should have never been made. If the UFC wanted Silva on the card to put on a show they should have just given him another fight at 205.

        What happened? Maia was beat to a pulp and disposed of quickly, only difference is Silva chose not to leave him sprawled out unconscious on the canvas. But, honestly the result was the same.

        Silva had nothing to gain by winning this fight. He was basically put out there to "put on a show", and that he did.

        Was it unprofessional? Absolutely. But you really can't question Silva's skills or abilities. You can definitely question his character.
        Silva hasnt defended the belt in over a year and demanded that he remain on the April show. They couldnt go another 6 mos without the middleweight belt being defended. The UFC had no choice but to put Maia in there because Sonnen couldnt take the fight on short notice.

        You call 3 rounds of running "putting on a show"? REALLY?

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        • mgoblue
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          • Jul 2002
          • 25477

          #319
          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
          If you fight the champ, you're supposed to try to win. Once you're down on points past the halfway mark, you have to take risks, because you are already losing. After the third round, Silva was clearly ahead. Maia did not make any attempt to win that fight. He gave up. He was terrified. His takedowns were stuffed and he was content to walk away and say "well, that didn't work. Looks like I can't beat him."

          You guys talk like Maia was the aggressor and Silva was running. Silva was the aggressor for long enough to get ahead and do some serious physical damage, and then, realizing that Maia would not attack no matter what, he did some light cardio for two rounds. I understand why you don't like that, but I don't see how you blame all of that on Silva.
          That's not how a champion should fight, and 99% of all MMA fighters out there would agree. You don't "put in cardio", you finish a fight.

          With your logic you'd be 100% fine with a star wrestler taking a guy down, laying on him, getting stood up, and repeating for 5 rounds to win via octagon control. IMO that's not a way fights should be.
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          • WeLLWeLL
            MVP
            • Nov 2008
            • 2507

            #320
            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

            My bad for saying he was trying to put on a show..I didn't mean it like that. It just looked like to me he was attacking more later in the fight...but I was drinking so my judgement wasn't great. After looking at the stats and watching the fight again I guess that nobody was doing anything.

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            • mgoblue
              Go Wings!
              • Jul 2002
              • 25477

              #321
              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

              Originally posted by WeLLWeLL
              My bad for saying he was trying to put on a show..I didn't mean it like that. It just looked like to me he was attacking more later in the fight...but I was drinking so my judgement wasn't great. After looking at the stats and watching the fight again I guess that nobody was doing anything.
              After a while Maia was taking suicide dives to try and take Silva down and Silva wasn't doing anything in reply, just dancing away and taunting.
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              • Bornindamecca
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                • Jul 2007
                • 10919

                #322
                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                Maia wasnt running from Silva...he just wasnt initiating strikes. Why? Because he isnt a striker and he knows all Silva is waiting for is a counter. Why would he run in there and do that if he wants to win.
                Sure. He didn't initiate strikes. He tried takedowns and they failed miserably. Then what did he do? Nothing. Like Phillmatic said, Silva finished the fight early. Since Maia basically quite, we had to sit through the last two rounds of dancing, but Maia made no real attempt to win that fight. He tried some takedowns, big whoop. GSP doesn't terrify his opponents into submission the way Silva does, so they are always game to go after him. It's at a point where Silva would literally have to chase these dudes down, because he's getting right up in their faces and they still aren't doing anything. No clinching, no striking, nothing.

                It's a fight. If you're losing, you're supposed to explore options until you are winning. Maia explored his options and cut his losses, rather than to continue to attempt to win.
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                • Phillmattic
                  MVP
                  • May 2003
                  • 1071

                  #323
                  Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  Silva hasnt defended the belt in over a year and demanded that he remain on the April show. They couldnt go another 6 mos without the middleweight belt being defended. The UFC had no choice but to put Maia in there because Sonnen couldnt take the fight on short notice.

                  You call 3 rounds of running "putting on a show"? REALLY?
                  He did put on a show. He came out for two rounds and danced and entertained the crowd all while lighting Maia up like a Christmas tree. People enjoyed the first two rounds.

                  If Silva did decide to go 100% do you think the fight would have lasted more than 2 rounds? More than 1? More than the first 2 minutes?

                  Really,everybody got the fight they were expecting. Quick and total dominance. What more would knocking out a clearly already defeated opponent accomplish?

                  Very unprofessional of Silva to treat the fight like the joke that it was, but really it was the same outcome everyone was expecting.
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                  • TheShizNo1
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 26341

                    #324
                    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                    Originally posted by hogfan
                    The bottom line in any competition is, win or lose, did you put forth your best effort?

                    Does anyone really think Silva put forth his best effort?

                    Sure Maia was completely outclassed, but he did put forth his best effort.
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                    • mgoblue
                      Go Wings!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 25477

                      #325
                      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                      Originally posted by Phillmattic
                      He did put on a show. He came out for two rounds and danced and entertained the crowd all while lighting Maia up like a Christmas tree. People enjoyed the first two rounds.

                      If Silva did decide to go 100% do you think the fight would have lasted more than 2 rounds? More than 1? More than the first 2 minutes?

                      Really,everybody got the fight they were expecting. Quick and total dominance. What more would knocking out a clearly already defeated opponent accomplish?

                      Very unprofessional of Silva to treat the fight like the joke that it was, but really it was the same outcome everyone was expecting.
                      Um, we wouldn't be talking about any of this if Silva took care of business instead of being unprofessional and not trying to finish. That's what finishing a fight does. Silva's been here before, it's his MO now, he knew that he was f'ing over the fans and the UFC (right in front of their new business partners) and he didn't give a damn.
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                      • WeLLWeLL
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 2507

                        #326
                        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                        Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                        OK, I can agree with this.
                        Ditto.

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                        • hogfan
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1281

                          #327
                          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                          Sure. He didn't initiate strikes. He tried takedowns and they failed miserably. Then what did he do? Nothing. Like Phillmatic said, Silva finished the fight early. Since Maia basically quite, we had to sit through the last two rounds of dancing, but Maia made no real attempt to win that fight. He tried some takedowns, big whoop. GSP doesn't terrify his opponents into submission the way Silva does, so they are always game to go after him. It's at a point where Silva would literally have to chase these dudes down, because he's getting right up in their faces and they still aren't doing anything. No clinching, no striking, nothing.

                          It's a fight. If you're losing, you're supposed to explore options until you are winning. Maia explored his options and cut his losses, rather than to continue to attempt to win.
                          So I guess you missed the last round when Maia was lunging in trying to connect with haymakers and Silva just continued to circle away?

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                          • Bornindamecca
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                            • Jul 2007
                            • 10919

                            #328
                            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                            Originally posted by mgoblue
                            That's not how a champion should fight, and 99% of all MMA fighters out there would agree. You don't "put in cardio", you finish a fight.

                            With your logic you'd be 100% fine with a star wrestler taking a guy down, laying on him, getting stood up, and repeating for 5 rounds to win via octagon control. IMO that's not a way fights should be.
                            You're not understanding. I'm fine with the idea that people don't find Silva's tactics entertaining. What I don't understand is people's take on Maia's performance. He threw less punches and gave up on the fight, but people are giving him a pass because he's "not a striker" and was "outclassed." Thing is, he was LOSING. It is basic fundamentals, man. If you are losing, you have to start taking risks. You have to swing for the fences, try for a lucky punch, dig into your bag of tricks or SOMETHING. Maia had obviously been flying knee'd into submission, and many people aren't acknowledging that obvious fact.

                            The fight shows it, the statistics back it up. Silva threw more strikes, landed more strikes and did more damage. Maia gave up. He was hurt, he was outclassed and he cut his losses and got out without taking any more damage in the 4th and 5th.
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                            • hogfan
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1281

                              #329
                              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                              Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                              You're not understanding. I'm fine with the idea that people don't find Silva's tactics entertaining. What I don't understand is people's take on Maia's performance. He threw less punches and gave up on the fight, but people are giving him a pass because he's "not a striker" and was "outclassed." Thing is, he was LOSING. It is basic fundamentals, man. If you are losing, you have to start taking risks. You have to swing for the fences, try for a lucky punch, dig into your bag of tricks or SOMETHING. Maia had obviously been flying knee'd into submission, and many people aren't acknowledging that obvious fact.

                              The fight shows it, the statistics back it up. Silva threw more strikes, landed more strikes and did more damage. Maia gave up. He was hurt, he was outclassed and he cut his losses and got out without taking any more damage in the 4th and 5th.
                              Maia gave up?

                              The guy couldn't see out of his left eye and was throwing all caution to the wind in the final round.

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                              • mgoblue
                                Go Wings!
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 25477

                                #330
                                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                                Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                                You're not understanding. I'm fine with the idea that people don't find Silva's tactics entertaining. What I don't understand is people's take on Maia's performance. He threw less punches and gave up on the fight, but people are giving him a pass because he's "not a striker" and was "outclassed." Thing is, he was LOSING. It is basic fundamentals, man. If you are losing, you have to start taking risks. You have to swing for the fences, try for a lucky punch, dig into your bag of tricks or SOMETHING. Maia had obviously been flying knee'd into submission, and many people aren't acknowledging that obvious fact.

                                The fight shows it, the statistics back it up. Silva threw more strikes, landed more strikes and did more damage. Maia gave up. He was hurt, he was outclassed and he cut his losses and got out without taking any more damage in the 4th and 5th.
                                And my point is that Silva let him out. Maia knew his strikes couldn't cut it and gave in, but Silva was just content to dance and let time go down rather than attack and finish a beaten opponent.

                                Any other MMA fighter would have gone for the kill except Silva.
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