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  • allBthere
    All Star
    • Jan 2008
    • 5847

    #301
    Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

    Originally posted by mgoblue
    I agree. People have to realize that GSP himself HATES having these long layoffs due to injury or TUF coaching. Fighters want to fight, none of these guys are ducking ala Pacman/Floyd (I don't have a clue what's going on there lol)
    not only that, but you don't come back from an injury after not having fought for a long time and get a CAN. If you're Shogun, you get Jon Jones lol...
    Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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    • ManiacMatt1782
      Who? Giroux!
      • Jul 2006
      • 3982

      #302
      Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      Who's defending this guy? I think it's more clear that some of you just flat out dislike him, which is perfectly OK by me.

      I already said he deserves to be punished. However, the weed rule is beyond ridiculous.

      The test cannot even detect when the user took it. Smh

      Once again, TRT: OK. Medical weed: Suspension. Doesn't sit right with me, but if it does with others, cool.
      In the USA, marijuana is illegal, this has nothing to do with performance enhancers. He got popped for using a drug of abuse, same if he was popped for coke, heroin, extacy, prescription pain killers, etc. You are hung up on TRT, but that's not the issue here. Seperate performance enhancers from the equation. If Nick got popped for cocaine or Xanax, its the same as him getting popped for Marijuana. It's a substance abuse policy, just like the NFL. It's not a weed rule, its an all drugs rule.

      Also Sonnen got a year for TRT, and then reduced to 6 months.
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #303
        Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

        We obviously fundamentally disagree with weed though. So this discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

        I'm not hung up on TRT so much as I'm hung up on the fact that

        1. The test cannot detect when the user took weed
        2. If you're medically cleared to use weed, it shouldn't get you suspended
        2B. Weed really isn't all that bad at all, for the health of the person taking it nor does it enhance his ability to perform in any way

        We fundamentally disagree with #2, I'm guessing, so there's no use in discussing it.

        He broke the rules and deserves to be punished. Doesn't mean said rule is not stupid.

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        • ManiacMatt1782
          Who? Giroux!
          • Jul 2006
          • 3982

          #304
          Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

          He is not cleared to use it in Nevada, also the CSAC doesn't recognise marijuana prescriptions. So the NSAC sure isn't either. Rules are rules. Diaz knew them and threw away millions by breaking them. Think of all the weed he could have bought with that money
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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #305
            Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

            I don't feel sorry for Nick at all, he knew the rules.

            I also shouldn't have compared MMA to the NBA or NFL. Completely different situations.

            MMA fighters have three maybe four matches all year, while obviously in other sports they play every week.

            Weed would absolutely be detrimental to guys in the NBA/NFL if they were to be smoking on a regular basis during the season. In MMA? It would be much easier to figure out when to slow down on the usage and when to stop, making sure it doesn't effect your ability to perform.

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            • ManiacMatt1782
              Who? Giroux!
              • Jul 2006
              • 3982

              #306
              Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

              I'm not anti marijuana, I'm not for it either, but if some smokes it in the privacy of their own home, that's their business. But if your employer has regulations that certain employees must be drug free, and you knowingly take the banned substance, then that's dumber than the rule. Bottom line is regardless of his Marijuana card, his employment does not allow it. I am a building engineer. I can legally drive a car with a .08 bac in PA. If I blow higher than a .02 at work, I can be fired on the spot. So guess what I don't do during Sunday night football games. You guessed it, I don't have a drink. I am responsible. More than I can say for our buddy Nick. And that's what I don't get, if I am looking at a million+ payday and all I have to do is play by the rules, I am playing by the rules. A guy who just throws away opportunities many of us could only wish to get is what's most disheartening of all.
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              • ManiacMatt1782
                Who? Giroux!
                • Jul 2006
                • 3982

                #307
                Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                I don't feel sorry for Nick at all, he knew the rules.

                I also shouldn't have compared MMA to the NBA or NFL. Completely different situations.

                MMA fighters have three maybe four matches all year, while obviously in other sports they play every week.

                Weed would absolutely be detrimental to guys in the NBA/NFL if they were to be smoking on a regular basis during the season. In MMA? It would be much easier to figure out when to slow down on the usage and when to stop, making sure it doesn't effect your ability to perform.
                Any type of smoking I would think would be detrimental to cardio. If I'm an athlete, I wouldn't want to be smoking anything.
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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #308
                  Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                  Yes, the employer is always right. No doubt about it. That's why I don't feel for Nick one bit.
                  Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782
                  Any type of smoking I would think would be detrimental to cardio. If I'm an athlete, I wouldn't want to be smoking anything.
                  That's you though. It's four fights a year. Look at Diaz' entire career. Didn't seem to effect his cardio eh, namely in that Gomi fight in Japan. Do I have to mention that he competes in triathlons? Haha. I don't think it's that much of a detriment to cardio, unless you smoke on the same day or right before your event.

                  NBA players smoke weed on the regular, a lot of people can handle it. Some better than others.

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                  • wyrm187
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 393

                    #309
                    Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                    I agree that getting banned for smoking weed is dumb, but rules are rules and it is currently illegal. I know these guys are supposed to act professional and whatnot but hell Im in sales and we have people who act unprofessional and you see it in every profession, sport etc. I certainly don't hold professional fighters to a higher standard, I think it's plain as day that Diaz is a fighter - nothing more and he doesn't aspire to be anything more than that.

                    I've been reading the sherdog forums since the fight and there's only a handful of fighters Ive ever seen elicit the emotion (on both sides of the coin) that Nick Diaz brings out. I'm not a fan of his for the record but guys like this draw crowds and are good for the sport.

                    There's been a few fighters I've really hated over the years and occasionally I would order a fight I was not entirely interested, hoping to watch that fighter get his blocked knocked off. He's similar to Dennis Rodman, totally self destructive, self-centered and at times not very bright at all - but talented and controvesial. There's no way they should cut him as some have suggested - but that's just my opinion.

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                    • goh
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 20755

                      #310
                      Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                      I don't think the legal bit matters. He could've smoked it legally in Amsterdam and it'd have the same result. It's a UFC/NSAC thing. It obviously doesn't enhance anything but as pointed out in most cases you can't really have a representive of your company be like that. Especially when they're still trying to even get MMA legalized in places.

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                      • aholbert32
                        (aka Alberto)
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 33106

                        #311
                        Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                        Before I write this I want to make this clear: I believe weed should be legalized. I see no difference between weed and alcohol.

                        With that said, I understand why its banned by NSAC. MMA is a combat sport. Fighters risk their lives and health by entering the ring/cage. Weed slows response time and hand eye coordination. Allowing weed could lead to an incident where a fighter smokes before a fight and potentially endanger himself. I dont think that its likely and I dont think Diaz would do something that stupid, but allowing it during competitions could lead to a fighter safety risk and potential bad PR.

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                        • Dog
                          aka jnes12/JNes__
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 11846

                          #312
                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          Before I write this I want to make this clear: I believe weed should be legalized. I see no difference between weed and alcohol.
                          Totally off topic, but I think alcohol has the potential to be much, much worse by human nature

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #313
                            Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                            Originally posted by goh
                            I don't think the legal bit matters. He could've smoked it legally in Amsterdam and it'd have the same result. It's a UFC/NSAC thing. It obviously doesn't enhance anything but as pointed out in most cases you can't really have a representive of your company be like that. Especially when they're still trying to even get MMA legalized in places.
                            Agreed for the most part

                            In the mean time you have Rogan always talking about all sorts of drugs and then you have him showing his huge weed stash off in videos. Lol

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                            • TheShizNo1
                              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #314
                              Dumb to be suspended for weed. For me, it's just more of the principle of it. You have the biggest fight of your career coming up, lay off for a minute. If he just chose not to, he's showing a lack of respect. If he couldn't stop, he has a problem. I put him in the same stash as Rumble.
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                              • XFactah416
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 1708

                                #315
                                Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

                                It's far, far more disrespectful to miss weight then it is to smoke weed. Rumble and Nick aren't even in the same category in terms of disrespect.

                                Missing weight can literally give you a huge advantage (not that Rumble needs any more help..) since the other guy had to put himself through hell with the starvation and dehydration that all fighters go through.

                                Smoking weed is only a "mental" thing for Nick where it helps him calm his nerves and what not. In one of the biggest fights of his life plus being swarmed by cameras because of Primetime, he probably resorts to smoking. That isn't harming anyone. And heaven forbid if Nick actually showed up in the Octagon high, he would be doing nothing but harming himself. The Primetime producer that followed Nick around said it himself: all Nick does is train and smoke.

                                With that said, Nick dun goofed. He knew the rules and he should've passed. No one to blame but himself here. It sucks, but I'll be a fan still. I know Nate looks up to Nick a lot, but Nate plays the "PR game" so much better then Nick. Nick could take lessons there.

                                And no way do the Fertitta's cut Nick. They've stuck by Leben with his drug issues. Nick is easily one of, if not the, most exciting fighter in this sport and the Primetime piece was so well-done and opened people's eyes up to who Nick is.
                                Last edited by XFactah416; 02-12-2012, 03:16 PM.

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