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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #121
    Re: UFC 200

    Originally posted by bdolski
    And other than Ronda, who's brought attention to the UFC anywhere near Conor's level? GSP and Spider were great and all, but no chance they brought the buzz that Conor did. Brock, maybe, other than that none of those guys come close to doing what Conor has done in terms of creating a buzz and bringing in money for the company. Casual fans or people who aren't a fan of the sport know Conor and Ronda from that list, that's about it.
    Eh. I'd argue that GSP's buzz was pretty big. They have never given Ronda, Brock or GSP a pass on their press obligations.

    Thats whats crazy to me. People are giving him a pass for refusing to do something in his contract. If he had such an issue with the press conferences or wanted to have more control over when they were scheduled....negotiate that before u sign the agreement.

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    • BDKiiing
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      • Jun 2008
      • 9334

      #122
      Re: UFC 200

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      Eh. I'd argue that GSP's buzz was pretty big. They have never given Ronda, Brock or GSP a pass on their press obligations.

      Thats whats crazy to me. People are giving him a pass for refusing to do something in his contract. If he had such an issue with the press conferences or wanted to have more control over when they were scheduled....negotiate that before u sign the agreement.


      You're an MMA purist. I went from a casual fan to Brock bringing me in being a wrestling fan, back to casual, to Ronda drawing me back in. Most of the people I know who are UFC fans are casual fans, Ronda and Conor have changed the game in that aspect of drawing people in as fans or as people who cheer against them. Simple as that. No other fighters have drawn people in like that.

      They didn't build up any other fighters to the monster that Conor is. He's above every fighter ever, they need to cater to, at least some, of his demands to make the money he'd bring. I don't comprehend how people don't think he's a massive loss. You could take the 200 card with him on as it was vs a 200 card with Jones/DC AND Lawler/GSP and it'd probably do similar business, hell the Conor card probably would still do better. As crazy as it sounds, it's the truth.
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      • p_rushing
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 14514

        #123
        Re: UFC 200

        Originally posted by bdolski
        They didn't build up any other fighters to the monster that Conor is.
        Ronda probably was, but it was all show and no one had enough striking skills to show it. Now she lost and went into hiding, so she lost a lot of the casuals. If she responded like Conor, she probably keeps the spotlight and I would even applaud her (and I think most people here know I can't stand her act).

        GSP was the biggest, but the thing that hurt him was he was dominating not finishing. Then he didn't like to act like Conor or Ronda. He was good with the media and got a lot of sponsor money, but he didn't give them great sound bites.

        Conor has holes, but I respect him for wanting the Diaz fight again. He wants to prove he can beat him and is putting in the work. This could cost him a lot if he loses. I don't care for the act, I just ignore it.
        Last edited by p_rushing; 04-21-2016, 02:14 PM.

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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #124
          Re: UFC 200

          Originally posted by bdolski
          You're an MMA purist. I went from a casual fan to Brock bringing me in being a wrestling fan, back to casual, to Ronda drawing me back in. Most of the people I know who are UFC fans are casual fans, Ronda and Conor have changed the game in that aspect of drawing people in as fans or as people who cheer against them. Simple as that. No other fighters have drawn people in like that.

          They didn't build up any other fighters to the monster that Conor is. He's above every fighter ever, they need to cater to, at least some, of his demands to make the money he'd bring. I don't comprehend how people don't think he's a massive loss. You could take the 200 card with him on as it was vs a 200 card with Jones/DC AND Lawler/GSP and it'd probably do similar business, hell the Conor card probably would still do better. As crazy as it sounds, it's the truth.
          I dont think he is a "massive" loss when it comes to 200 for three reasons. UFC 200 does close to or over a million buys with or without Conor. They do more than that if they are able to replace Conor with GSP's return. 1 million buys is a success for the UFC. ****, they break even if they do 250-300k buys.

          Two, Conor will likely lose to Diaz again imo. If that happens, Conor stops being a mega star. Every PPV buy over a million is likely a casual fan. Casual fans arent excited about fighters that get stopped twice in a row. The only way he remains a mega star is he is a winner.

          Three, Conor didnt retire and will need money. So he's going to fight for the UFC again. So its only a hit to one UFC card.

          Also lets not overestimate how big of a star Conor is. If he left the UFC, he isnt going to do 1.7 mil ppvs or even 1 million PPVs. The Aldo fight sold because of Conor......and the fact that UFC promoted the fight for a year and he was facing a dominant champ in Aldo. The Diaz fight sold because of Conor....and because Diaz has a huge following.

          Conor cant go to Bellator and sell a million PPVs. Not when the best opponents are no names like Eduardo Dantas and Will Brooks or has beens like Josh Thomson or Josh Koscheck.

          My point is if he was bigger than the UFC...he could sell fights without the UFC and it wouldnt matter about the competition. Thats not the case now.

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #125
            Re: UFC 200

            Originally posted by p_rushing
            Ronda probably was, but it was all show and no one had enough striking skills to show it. Now she lost and went into hiding, so she lost a lot of the casuals. If she responded like Conor, she probably keeps the spotlight and I would even applaud her (and I think most people here know I can't stand her act).

            GSP was the biggest, but the thing that hurt him was he was dominating not finishing. Then he didn't like to act like Conor or Ronda. He was good with the media and got a lot of sponsor money, but he didn't give them great sound bites.
            You are crazy. Ronda's comeback will be her biggest PPV ever. The casuals didnt go anywhere.

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            • p_rushing
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 14514

              #126
              Re: UFC 200

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              You are crazy. Ronda's comeback will be her biggest PPV ever. The casuals didnt go anywhere.
              It's more than just there for the fight. The casuals were allover Ronda even if she wasn't fighting. Now not so much. I'm sure they will comeback for the next fight, but not all of them.

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              • Money99
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2002
                • 12695

                #127
                Re: UFC 200

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                I dont think he is a "massive" loss when it comes to 200 for three reasons. UFC 200 does close to or over a million buys with or without Conor. They do more than that if they are able to replace Conor with GSP's return. 1 million buys is a success for the UFC. ****, they break even if they do 250-300k buys.

                Two, Conor will likely lose to Diaz again imo. If that happens, Conor stops being a mega star. Every PPV buy over a million is likely a casual fan. Casual fans arent excited about fighters that get stopped twice in a row. The only way he remains a mega star is he is a winner.

                Three, Conor didnt retire and will need money. So he's going to fight for the UFC again. So its only a hit to one UFC card.

                Also lets not overestimate how big of a star Conor is. If he left the UFC, he isnt going to do 1.7 mil ppvs or even 1 million PPVs. The Aldo fight sold because of Conor......and the fact that UFC promoted the fight for a year and he was facing a dominant champ in Aldo. The Diaz fight sold because of Conor....and because Diaz has a huge following.

                Conor cant go to Bellator and sell a million PPVs. Not when the best opponents are no names like Eduardo Dantas and Will Brooks or has beens like Josh Thomson or Josh Koscheck.

                My point is if he was bigger than the UFC...he could sell fights without the UFC and it wouldnt matter about the competition. Thats not the case now.

                As a casual, I won't be buying UFC 200 without Connor on it.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #128
                  Re: UFC 200

                  Originally posted by Money99
                  As a casual, I won't be buying UFC 200 without Connor on it.
                  Yep and many others wont. That still doesnt mean that the card needs to be saved. Every card doesnt have to do 1.7 million.

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                  • aholbert32
                    (aka Alberto)
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 33106

                    #129
                    Re: UFC 200

                    Originally posted by p_rushing
                    It's more than just there for the fight. The casuals were allover Ronda even if she wasn't fighting. Now not so much. I'm sure they will comeback for the next fight, but not all of them.
                    I dont know about that. I swear I see stuff about Ronda pop in the press damn near weekly and she doesnt have a fight scheduled. She's still popular.

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                    • BDKiiing
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 9334

                      #130
                      Re: UFC 200

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      Yep and many others wont. That still doesnt mean that the card needs to be saved. Every card doesnt have to do 1.7 million.


                      Why is a million 'good enough'? It's silly to leave money on the table.

                      Also, how can you think GSP would draw near what Conor would? He's fairly irrelevant to casuals. GSP doesn't talk, he doesn't get exciting finishes, his return doesn't do near what Conor would.
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                      • Money99
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 12695

                        #131
                        Re: UFC 200

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        Yep and many others wont. That still doesnt mean that the card needs to be saved. Every card doesnt have to do 1.7 million.
                        UFC's accountants might argue that, lol.

                        I just see it as simple math. With Connor you'll double your profit.

                        But this is all about control. Dana White and Zuffa are desperate to keep the fighters under their heel.

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                        • jb12780
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 10665

                          #132
                          Re: UFC 200

                          GSP was a P4P top 5 fighter before he took his hiatus.

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                          • DJ
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 17756

                            #133
                            Re: UFC 200

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            Man this is UFC 200. They have never done a basic clip commercial for a tentplole event like that. ****, they have never done a basic commercial for Conor. You cant do bland promotion for the biggest event of the year.

                            My point is its 4 days. We are 11-12 weeks out from the fight. Conor is trying to argue that 4 days away from training (which he could still do in Vegas) 11 weeks out is going to affect his preperation? GTFOH.

                            Also, this is business. Its not like they called Conor last week and said "Yo, we have a press conference scheduled next week in Vegas and we need you here". He likely knew the dates when he signed the bout agreement weeks ago. So Conor knows the date of the PC weeks in advance, decides he doesnt want to go the week of the PC and the UFC is supposed to just work with him.

                            Look at it from the UFC's perspective. They typically schedule PC's for fight weeks because the majority of the media is in town for a fight. Tons of media is in town for the Jones fight. They can get the optimal attention of they do it this week. There isnt another US PPV card until June so they have no other chance to hold a PC with this many people until then. Now you think Conor is upset about having to do a PC in April....how pissed do you think he would be if they did it in June?

                            Regarding the commercial, again Conor knew about it weeks in advance. I work in TV and it is expensive as hell to cancel a shoot. Deposits are lost. You still have to pay the crew for the shoot because of the unions. All because Conor woke up this week and decided he didnt want to fly to Vegas. Thats hundreds of thousands of dollars lost.

                            Good discussion.
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                            • Money99
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 12695

                              #134
                              Re: UFC 200

                              Originally posted by bdolski
                              Why is a million 'good enough'? It's silly to leave money on the table.

                              Also, how can you think GSP would draw near what Conor would? He's fairly irrelevant to casuals. GSP doesn't talk, he doesn't get exciting finishes, his return doesn't do near what Conor would.
                              I can attest to that.
                              Prior to UFC 196, I hadn't purchased a UFC event since GSP was fighting.
                              I can't even remember who he was fighting. What I do remember was how boring his fight was and how I vowed to never waste money on MMA again.
                              I'm glad I came around, but his fighting style kept me away from spending money on the UFC for a long, long time.

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                              • BDKiiing
                                Best in the World
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 9334

                                #135
                                Re: UFC 200

                                Originally posted by jb12780
                                GSP was a P4P top 5 fighter before he took his hiatus.

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