Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[SC3BBall]

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True, though the Big East didn't have much in the way of options. It wasn't as if they could have poached any ACC or B1G school. I supposed they could have made a move and got TCU and Boise State sooner rather than later, though.

I'm talking about long ago.

They denied Penn State early on, which could have been a HUGE addition.

But the Big East only cared about catholic school basketball. They didn't care for football, so they were willing to get rid of Miami, VaTech, and BC, as long as no one touched their basketball programs.

Ex Big East commish Mike Tranghese has even admitted that he favored Providence College in decision making. Yes, he favored a school that has no fanbase, doesn't play football, and drives in no money.

Football makes the money, you can't deny it.

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On one of my NCAA dynasties, I put Virginia Tech and NC State in the Big Ten. Would love to see it in real life.

I don't think the B1G will go after NC State. They aren't an AAU member for starters. I think NC State will end up in the SEC.

I think B1G wants UNC for the expanding North Carolina market. It is a perfect fit.

[simgamer0005]

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Rutgers to the B1G has been in the works for several years now.

can anyone else verify this? i haven't heard anything about Rutgers or Maryland moving to the BigTen until a few days ago.

I think B1G wants UNC for the expanding North Carolina market. It is a perfect fit.

The North Carolina market? For the BigTen? The BigTen is a Chicago based conference. How is North Carolina a perfect fit for the BigTen? I don't know how much more of this re-alignment fans can take.

[ehh]

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I'm lost on this...what is an AAU member?

I'm guessing this ain't the Amatuer Athletic Union I keep seeing referenced.

[Blue]

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can anyone else verify this? i haven't heard anything about Rutgers or Maryland moving to the BigTen until a few days ago.



The North Carolina market? For the BigTen? The BigTen is a Chicago based conference. How is North Carolina a perfect fit for the BigTen? I don't know how much more of this re-alignment fans can take.

there were rumors that GA Tech was also in the running for the rutgers spot, only reason that makes sense is the Atlanta market. B1G is after markets and Georgia Tech and North Carolina offer that, I'm sure others are in the running. If any other team leaves the ACC, I think NC and GT at B1G bound.

[superjames1992]

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I'm talking about long ago.

They denied Penn State early on, which could have been a HUGE addition.

But the Big East only cared about catholic school basketball. They didn't care for football, so they were willing to get rid of Miami, VaTech, and BC, as long as no one touched their basketball programs.

Ex Big East commish Mike Tranghese has even admitted that he favored Providence College in decision making. Yes, he favored a school that has no fanbase, doesn't play football, and drives in no money.

Football makes the money, you can't deny it.

Oh, yes, I do agree. Not accepting Penn State was probably the beginning of the end for the Big East Conference as far as football is concerned.

[Hooe]

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The ACC made a huge mistake when they passed up WVU in favor of Pitt and Syracuse. It became clear at that point that they were not interested in quality football.

If football were the only force in conference expansion, you are correct. I don't believe that is the case, I think that is an oversimplification.

West Virginia was a poor fit for the ACC with respect to academics and non-revenue sports, they never had a serious chance of being included. Not the mention the whole "markets" thing that was brought up; what does WVU really bring to the table to that end?

I also dispute that adding West Virginia would make much difference whatsoever with the ACC's football reputation.

I keep on reading rumors about Virginia Tech and NC State being poached by the SEC. While I would like that to happen (I guess, though SEC basketball is a huge downgrade), I just don't know if I can believe it.

Also, I have a hard time seeing VT and UVA split up. UVA bent over backwards to get VT into the ACC a decade ago...

IMO it's not a matter of UVa and VT being split as much as they have to each be taken care of from a financial standpoint. If the financial solvency of both is secure, I don't think it really matters where they end up.

However, any team leaving the ACC would also be leaving the ACCIAC, the academic wing of the conference which hands out tons of money via research grants to member universities. For example, the well-publicized helmet study conducted by Virginia Tech and Wake Forest was paid for by ACCIAC money (as well as a partnership between the two schools). I'm not but so familiar with the program as a whole, but a few of my Hokie friends who are say that VT would likely only leave for the Big Ten on this account, as only that conference can provide more in the way of research grant money than the ACCIAC currently does; the SEC apparently can't, according to them.

To this end, I'm not sure to what extent the Hokies have been considered for the Big Ten.

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Oh, yes, I do agree. Not accepting Penn State was probably the beginning of the end for the Big East Conference as far as football is concerned.

It was either Miami or Penn State at the time, not both. I'm guessing just like Miami bounced, PSU would have been long gone by now if they had joined back in the day.

[SC3BBall]

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I'm lost on this...what is an AAU member?

I'm guessing this ain't the Amatuer Athletic Union I keep seeing referenced.

Association of American Universities -- leading research universities. Right now there are 34 public and 26 private members.

"perhaps the most elite organization in higher education. You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a major research university that didn't want to be a member of the AAU."

It is a requisite of B1G members to be in the AAU. The only school not in is Nebraska, and they used to be a member, and they will more than likely be a member again.

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can anyone else verify this? i haven't heard anything about Rutgers or Maryland moving to the BigTen until a few days ago.



The North Carolina market? For the BigTen? The BigTen is a Chicago based conference. How is North Carolina a perfect fit for the BigTen? I don't know how much more of this re-alignment fans can take.

You would not have heard about Rutgers making a move to the B1G ten until recently. Rutgers AD, Tim Pernetti, has been in constant contact with the B1G offices. He plays his cards close.

As for UNC, North Carolina is a growing state. The B1G is growing. They want to have their brand in North Carolina.

Yes they are a Chicago based conference, but they are looking to expand their footprint. That is why they are now looking to make a splash in New York, DC, and beyond.

UNC is a perfect fit because it is a prestigous university, it is an AAU member, it would expand the B1G market, and it has an outstanding athletic history. It is a perfect fit on all fronts.

[mercalnd]

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thanks for sharing. this is the best news i heard all day! they should absolutely stay put in the MWC. look how fun the MWC is this season. heading into the final week, you got 3 teams tied for first at 6-1. Boise State, Fresno State, and San Diego State. wouldn't it be a shame if these teams did not play in the future? they are such natural geographic rivals and they are really fun to watch. I don't like the Big East's West Coast expansion either. it's about time someone said "no this is wrong" and stayed put where they belong. maybe boise state and san diego state are the ones to make that stand and stay in the conference with their western rivals.

I agree that these teams make more sense in the MWC. However, I find it ironic that you are so against conference realignment in general gave an example of featuring 2 teams (Boise and Fresno) that changed conferences within the last 2 years.

[simgamer0005]

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I agree that these teams make more sense in the MWC. However, I find it ironic that you are so against conference realignment in general gave an example of featuring 2 teams (Boise and Fresno) that changed conferences within the last 2 years.

it's not really that hard to understand. Fresno State and Boise State were long time rivals in the WAC. They moved to the Mountain West recently, along with many other former WAC schools like Nevada. The MWC and the WAC are both western conferences. The Big East is not a western conference. These teams are natural geographic rivals, and for Fresno State and Boise State, they have been playing football for a long time. I think this year was a real fun year for this conference, and it makes sense for these teams to play in the same conference. With the 4-team playoff coming, it might be more possible for an undefeated team from this conference to make that playoff. And with the Big East dissolving, you might not be assured to even play a tougher schedule then teams like Fresno State or Nevada. Bottom line, whether it's the WAC or the MWC, they are a western conference. Historically, western schools play in western conferences, not in eastern conferences. so i might not have agreed with those WAC schools moving to MWC, really the MWC this year is a lot like the old WAC.

[superjames1992]

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Kind of sad, really.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/22/report-big-east-schools-may-vote-to-dissolve-league/

[DonkeyJote]

it's not really that hard to understand. Fresno State and Boise State were long time rivals in the WAC. They moved to the Mountain West recently, along with many other former WAC schools like Nevada. The MWC and the WAC are both western conferences. The Big East is not a western conference. These teams are natural geographic rivals, and for Fresno State and Boise State, they have been playing football for a long time. I think this year was a real fun year for this conference, and it makes sense for these teams to play in the same conference. With the 4-team playoff coming, it might be more possible for an undefeated team from this conference to make that playoff. And with the Big East dissolving, you might not be assured to even play a tougher schedule then teams like Fresno State or Nevada. Bottom line, whether it's the WAC or the MWC, they are a western conference. Historically, western schools play in western conferences, not in eastern conferences. so i might not have agreed with those WAC schools moving to MWC, really the MWC this year is a lot like the old WAC.

Dude, Boise and Fresno have only played 15 times all time. They weren't in the same conference until 2001...

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[Pmoney327]

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I'd love for the Big East to dissolve, getting out early and for free.

SIGN ME UP!