Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Jr.]

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Whats the upside for ND joining any conference? They already have thier own very sweet exclusive TV deal. They already have a great deal regarding BCS entry, much better than if they were in a big conference. They can put together any type of schedule they want. They have no pressure to join any conference. If they ever did decide to join one. The big 10 makes the most sense geographically and schedule wise since they already play a few big 10 teams every year. ND hasnt even played a big 12 team in 10 years.

Please refer to my previous 2-3 posts.

In addition to the points I have made, I think Notre Dame might get left in the dust of the seemingly inevitable super conferences if they don't decide to join one in the next 5 years or so. Their TV deal will run out eventually, and they may not get one as lucrative as this one.

[untrugby]

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Please refer to my previous 2-3 posts.

In addition to the points I have made, I think Notre Dame might get left in the dust of the seemingly inevitable super conferences if they don't decide to join one in the next 5 years or so. Their TV deal will run out eventually, and they may not get one as lucrative as this one.

how would they get left in the dust? the super conferences make it more likely that a 1 loss top 10 team wont get a BCS spot so Notre Dame's BCS deal would look even better. And as for TV deal win or lose they pull in ratings and its with a station where they are the only games shown on there. So thats not going to change anytime soon.

[Jr.]

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how would they get left in the dust? the super conferences make it more likely that a 1 loss top 10 team wont get a BCS spot so Notre Dame's BCS deal would look even better. And as for TV deal win or lose they pull in ratings and its with a station where they are the only games shown on there. So thats not going to change anytime soon.

My guess is that if the 16 team super conferences form, the structure of the BCS would change. Therefore, Notre Dame would lose their BCS exemption and only teams from the super conferences would get the bids.

That's just my opinion though, so I could obviously be wrong

I haven't seen the ratings for Notre Dame's games on NBC, so I can't speak to that. I know that I don't watch any game of theirs besides the USC game, but that's just because I can't stand NBC's presentation style, and I really don't like Notre Dame's football program. I'm probably not a good representation of the USA as a whole.

[DonkeyJote]

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Whats the upside for ND joining any conference? They already have thier own very sweet exclusive TV deal. They already have a great deal regarding BCS entry, much better than if they were in a big conference. They can put together any type of schedule they want. They have no pressure to join any conference. If they ever did decide to join one. The big 10 makes the most sense geographically and schedule wise since they already play a few big 10 teams every year. ND hasnt even played a big 12 team in 10 years.

Sweet Exclusive TV Deal? How much do you think Notre Dame gets from NBC per year? I bet it's a ton less than you think. While a team from the Big Ten, Pac 12, or SEC may get $20M or more from their conference, Notre Dame gets about $9M. Notre Dame is bucking the trend - if it was about money to them, they'd have already jumped to the Big Ten (the conference that would likely offer the biggest payout).

[untrugby]

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Sweet Exclusive TV Deal? How much do you think Notre Dame gets from NBC per year? I bet it's a ton less than you think. While a team from the Big Ten, Pac 12, or SEC may get $20M or more from their conference, Notre Dame gets about $9M. Notre Dame is bucking the trend - if it was about money to them, they'd have already jumped to the Big Ten (the conference that would likely offer the biggest payout).

even though its only 9 mill it works out to about 1.8 mil per game its not as much as the 2-2.5 mil the big 10, 12 or sec gets but its better than the 660k the pac 10 gets. They also get as much as a BCS conference team would get in BCS revenues every year guaranteed and if they make a BCS game the get 4 times that amount.

[DonkeyJote]

even though its only 9 mill it works out to about 1.8 mil per game its not as much as the 2-2.5 mil the big 10, 12 or sec gets but its better than the 660k the pac 10 gets. They also get as much as a BCS conference team would get in BCS revenues every year guaranteed and if they make a BCS game the get 4 times that amount.

First, the Pac 12 has a new tv deal. They're in the same range a the SEC and Big Ten.

Second, how does $9m a season come to $1.8 m a game? Notre Dame only plays 5 games a year?

And Notre Dame hasn't exactly been going to a lot of BCS games. They may get to keep all of a potential BCS payout, but they lose the ability to share another team's payout.

I don't think you can argue too much that being in a conference would probably be better financially for Notre Dame. They stay independent for tradition's sake.

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[untrugby]

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Second, how does $9m a season come to $1.8 m a game? Notre Dame only plays 5 games a year?

they only play 5 games (their home games) a year on NBC as opposed to the 8 or 9 games other conferences get per year out of their tv contracts.

And Notre Dame hasn't exactly been going to a lot of BCS games. They may get to keep all of a potential BCS payout, but they lose the ability to share another team's payout.

you missed the point. they are guaranteed each year about the same amount that a BCS conference school not going to a BCS bowl would get. and if they do go to a bcs bowl they get more extra than a BCS conference BCS team would get.

I don't think you can argue too much that being in a conference would probably be better financially for Notre Dame. They stay independent for tradition's sake.

they might not be getting as much total but its close, close enough that theres not really enough incentive to make a change.

[coogrfan]

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I'm just sayin'. No offense to Big 12 fans, but the B1G Ten is a more desirable option for Notre Dame as far as revenue, academics, rivalries, traditional opponents, location, etc., and they've turned them down 3 times because they don't want to be in a conference for football.

So why would they suddenly decide to join the Big 12? Especially considering that it's pretty much ruled by another major power.

Another reason why the Irish will never join the Big (not quite) XII:

"Additionally, the Irish love having their other sports in the Big East and I am not just talking about basketball. The Irish care about many sports that simply aren't even sponsored in the Big 12 (men's soccer, ice hockey, lacrosse, etc...)."

[Bondgirl0072]

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There is no way Notre Dame joins a conference. They like being Independent.

[lonewolf371]

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My guess is that if the 16 team super conferences form, the structure of the BCS would change. Therefore, Notre Dame would lose their BCS exemption and only teams from the super conferences would get the bids.

That's just my opinion though, so I could obviously be wrong

I haven't seen the ratings for Notre Dame's games on NBC, so I can't speak to that. I know that I don't watch any game of theirs besides the USC game, but that's just because I can't stand NBC's presentation style, and I really don't like Notre Dame's football program. I'm probably not a good representation of the USA as a whole.

Well I do know that they have a really big national fan base. They haven't been good for awhile, but my impression if they went on a run like USC or tOSU have over the last decade that they would never be off the sports networks.

[ZB9]

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A&M left because of the revenue sharing. I don't recall ever claiming that's why Nebraska left, but hey, why should I ruin a good story?

So that is one thing youre actually not blaming Texas for? Well that's a start

I've heard/read that sentiment parroted 9687969876 times though from Husker nation and from those with anti-Texas sentiments. My bad for lumping you in with that.

I agree here. Texas has been a better team than Nebraska over the last 10 years or so. At least one of those losses are disputed by Nebraska (the Big XII title game) and that may have contributed to Nebraska leaving. But I don't think on the field stuff had anything to do with it.

the big 12 title game isnt disupted by many outside of Nebraska that understand the rules (the clock stops when the ball hits the ground)

youre kidding yourself if you dont think that Nebraska going 1-8 against Texas going back to 1996 has something to do with their anti-Texas sentiments

On the field is where Nebraska took their biggest fall to mediocrity...and again, Texas did not force them to hire coaches like Callahan or run their program like crap in the 2000s. If the Huskers would have won more games on the field, they would have had more cache off of it (like in 1996 when the conference was formed and Nebraska had the most cache)

Yes, but Nebraska much preferred the game to be held at Arrowhead or in St. Louis. I don't think it's the distance that bothered Nebraska, it's that Texas moved the game to their backyard where it would be a virtual home game for the Longhorns.

do you honestly believe that Texas was solely responsible for moving the CG to Cowboys Stadium?

Moving the game to that stadium in that area meant more money for the entire conference...and we all know that the main benefit of having a conference championship game in the first place is really extra money. Anyway, Nebraska left for more money, so the conference doesnt have to worry about a championship game any more. It's better without one.

So the conference doing anything in Texas entails "UT's back yard" to you? Texas is a big state fyi. If they moved it permanently to San Antonio then your point would be better but Dallas is the same distance from OU as it is from UT. I guess it's "OU's back yard also". Having another game and more presence in Texas is beneficial to programs like Oklahoma because they recruit Texas so heavily (maybe Nebraska should have tried that)

The league headquarters were moved South. Texas joined the conference and slowly took it over behind the scenes, and that never sat well with Nebraska. They moved to a conference that isn't dominated by one team, and that share a similar set of values and opinions as Nebraska. Also, the Big Ten could guarantee Nebraska $20 mil, and Texas (I mean, the Big XII) couldn't. Nebraska was getting around $10 mil, maybe less, in the Big XII. Nebraska's traditional rival being in the South and only playing twice every four years didn't help, and the rest of the North being so overshadowed by the Texas schools, that Nebraska was never really able to develop a real rivalry with any of them.

I wonder if the Pac 10's headquarters are in California? Maybe Washington should move because that obviously means that USC is controlling the Pac 10[/sarcasm]

UT has a huge influence and cache in the conference. Im not denying that. However, you are going way overboard in blaming UT for anything done in the state of Texas. The conference takes advantage of the resources from the state of Texas, whether it be every team relying on recruiting Texas, or TV markets in Texas, or better logistics and facilities in Texas, etc.etc.etc.

That benefits UT because they are the flagship program in the state. However, having a presence from the state of Texas is also beneficial to the conference just like the state of California is beneficial to the Pac 10/12 or the state of Florida is beneficial to the SEC. I doubt the old big 8 without a major market would survive in today's day of TV markets. Perhaps Nebraska should have tried to take advantage of the resources in Texas, like OU did for example.

I remember hearing a lot about Texas getting a network before Nebraska left. They were already looking into it. It was probably sped up, but I remember hearing the Pac 12 was going to let them have their own network if they joined. I'm sure Texas didn't decide to have a network and to have it launch in 14 months. This had already been in the works.

it was talked about in 2007 when the conference proposed outlawing TV networks for individual programs...OU and Nebraska did not vote against networks btw.

Any program in the big 12 can start up a network. If Texas would have joined the Pac 12, they would not have been allowed to have their own network. That is why ESPN basically stopped Texas from moving by offering them a network. ESPN knew Texas was talking about it, but it wasnt possible until ESPN offered them (and ESPN wouldnt have offered them if Texas wouldnt have been forced to explore other conference options after Nebraska and CU left). Yes, it was certainly "sped up" quite a bit. There is talk about OU starting up a network now. I dont know what you expected Texas to do, but I bet any other program would have done the same thing if they could.

[ZB9]

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I doubt Notre Dame would want to join the Big 12

However, there is a really good chance of a Texas vs. Notre Dame game replacing the Texas vs. Aggy game on Thanksgiving. Those talks with the Irish are serious and there's a good chance of it happening when TAMU leaves.

[cdawg44]

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I doubt Notre Dame would want to join the Big 12

However, there is a really good chance of a Texas vs. Notre Dame game replacing the Texas vs. Aggy game on Thanksgiving. Those talks with the Irish are serious and there's a good chance of it happening when TAMU leaves.

There are rumors going around that the state legislature is looking at a way to force A&M and UT to continue to play yearly if A&M leaves. Be that passing legislation or threating to withhold some of the PUF money. Talk about a gross over reach of power. I don't think it would come to that, but you never know.

[untrugby]

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There are rumors going around that the state legislature is looking at a way to force A&M and UT to continue to play yearly if A&M leaves. Be that passing legislation or threating to withhold some of the PUF money. Talk about a gross over reach of power. I don't think it would come to that, but you never know.

TU has publicity stated they want the game, why wouldnt A&M want it?

[coogrfan]

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I doubt Notre Dame would want to join the Big 12

However, there is a really good chance of a Texas vs. Notre Dame game replacing the Texas vs. Aggy game on Thanksgiving. Those talks with the Irish are serious and there's a good chance of it happening when TAMU leaves.

Playing night games in Austin on Thanksgiving isn't much of a problem, but in South Bend?