Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Jr.]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Just saw on Sportscenter that the Big XII is not likely to add another Texas school. Sources are saying Pitt and Louisville, along with BYU, could be targeted

[superjames1992]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Just saw on Sportscenter that the Big XII is not likely to add another Texas school. Sources are saying Pitt and Louisville, along with BYU, could be targeted

Pitt in the Big 12? Wouldn't that be the day...

I think BYU is most likely to get the call-up. Louisville is possible, I suppose, but that would be a bit of a long shot, I think.

[Jr.]

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Pitt in the Big 12? Wouldn't that be the day...

I think BYU is most likely to get the call-up. Louisville is possible, I suppose, but that would be a bit of a long shot, I think.

I agree about Pitt. Them in the Big XII and TCU in the Big East would just make zero sense to me.

But the majority of this conference realignment doesn't make much sense to me

[DonkeyJote]

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If the 14th team is an ACC team, then who does the ACC poach? Conventional wisdom says a Big East team but the Big East is supposedly going to ink a huge TV deal with NBC, so who knows?

There are a lot of options. Maybe they grab Missouri. I don't think Missouri is long for the Big XII. They started all of this with openly courting the Big Ten. Now they are awkwardly still stuck in the Big XII. They have egg on their face, and I'm sure it's tense with them and the other schools, since they started this whole mess. They still want out and will probably jump at the first team to give them an out. And the Big XII won't care. The only school besides Texas that the conference can't survive their departure is Oklahoma.

Btw, I can see the reasoning behind blaming Missouri, and Nebraska. But I don't think you can blame Colorado at all. They were a part of the 6-team exodous to the Pac 10 with Texas. They saw the writing on the wall, and didn't want to be left out when Texas wavered. I bet they were afraid Texas would tell the Pac 12 they wanted to bring Baylor instead of Colorado or something. The Buffaloes did the safe thing and made sure they'd have a home if the Super Conferences thing did happen. I don't think you can blame them at all.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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It's like the nuclear power plant. Everybody's all for it unless it's in THEIR backyard. If the league wants to add FSU (if they wanted to come), Florida isn't going to be able to stop it.

I could care less if they add Clemson. Just doesn't make any financial sense.

[kodiak]

True, but there are teams with more influence than others. I don't think that's the big issue. I think Clemson is more likely than FSU because of location. FSU is in Florida - a state that is heavily recruited by all the SEC teams, and putting a second team in that state into the conference would probably hurt everyone's recruiting. Of the 82 recruits from South Carolina from last year's class listed on ESPN, not a single one went to an SEC school other than USC. And this year, out of 44, only #10, #12, and #39 (Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky) went to SEC schools outside of the state. In Florida, however, 6 of the top 10 recruits are going to the SEC, and only one of those is going to the Gators. I think the conference as a whole would be much more likely to okay a second South Carolina school than a second Florida school.

I don't think Clemson is the SEC's first choice. I think VaTech and maybe either West Virginia or Missouri would be ahead of them (maybe). But I think Clemson fits. It seems like much more of an SEC school than an ACC school. They have good rivalries with two teams already. They aren't going to be top dog in the east, but they won't be at the bottom either. They'll contend for a conference title here and there. They aren't the sexy name, and they don't really add a lot (no new market, etc), but I think they're a real good fit. If the SEC can't make the big splash with Team #14, then I think they'll go Clemson. And I imagine Clemson would say yes. I really do think being in the SEC would be great for them. I think it would be better for Clemson than it would be for just about any other team mentioned (though it wouldn't necessarily be better for the SEC).

We are already beating the upper echelon SEC teams in recruiting so that has no bearing on the situation.


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[AuburnAlumni]

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Regardless of what some fans on here think about VT being impervious to any swoons by the SEC, they are a prime target for many reasons.

They may or may not join, but I expect Slive to aggressively pursue Virginia Tech.

There are too many positives and too much to like about adding the Hokies.

It's gonna be very interesting over the next several months to see who the 14th (or perhaps 14th, 15th, and 16th) team(s) will be.

I still say it will come out of the group of Mizzou, Clemson, FSU, Va Tech. Oklahoma/Okie State might be a possibility, especially if we go ahead and move to a superconference of 16 teams.

[DonkeyJote]

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We are already beating the upper echelon SEC teams in recruiting so that has no bearing on the situation.


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You guys did have the number 1 class this year, but let's not get arrogant here. You were behind 3 SEC teams in 2010, 4 in 2009, 4 in 2008, and 6 in 2007. FSU is recruiting great, but they don't have Florida totally locked down. Other SEC teams are still able to get in there.

I'm not trying to bash FSU. They're a legitimate National Title contender, and they're in position to get back to where they want to be. Jimbo has done a fantastic job in recruiting. If they went into the SEC, there's no doubt they would be right at the top of the SEC East most years, imo. They're the strongest program on the SEC's list. But to say that FSU's presence in a recruiting hotbed has no bearing is very untrue, imo. I think FSU's prestige and prominence as a program does a lot to balance out the recruiting repercussions. Maybe they will be targeted. Florida will complain, and use the recruiting as an argument. It might work. Florida, if I'm correct, only has to get three teams to agree with them, right (9 teams have to vote yes for a team to get in?). So I don't know. If it comes down to Clemson, recruiting has no bearing.

[kodiak]

You guys did have the number 1 class this year, but let's not get arrogant here. You were behind 3 SEC teams in 2010, 4 in 2009, 4 in 2008, and 6 in 2007. FSU is recruiting great, but they don't have Florida totally locked down. Other SEC teams are still able to get in there.

I'm not trying to bash FSU. They're a legitimate National Title contender, and they're in position to get back to where they want to be. Jimbo has done a fantastic job in recruiting. If they went into the SEC, there's no doubt they would be right at the top of the SEC East most years, imo. They're the strongest program on the SEC's list. But to say that FSU's presence in a recruiting hotbed has no bearing is very untrue, imo. I think FSU's prestige and prominence as a program does a lot to balance out the recruiting repercussions. Maybe they will be targeted. Florida will complain, and use the recruiting as an argument. It might work. Florida, if I'm correct, only has to get three teams to agree with them, right (9 teams have to vote yes for a team to get in?). So I don't know. If it comes down to Clemson, recruiting has no bearing.

I already said were not going to the SEC but its not because they are scared of recruiting battles As for your first paragraph, not being arrogant. But Jimbo, and especially Eddie and Craig, have us right there contending for a top 3 class again. We also were constantly bringing in top classes before the former staff began mailing it in on the recruiting front. But it says something when we go into AL and pull 4 of the top 5 recruits. The other committed to Auburn.

No school out of the big 3 will ever have FL on lockdown due to the wealth of talent it provides, although some years are stronger than others. Bama, Michigan, Auburn, USC, etc are still going to get plenty of talent from FL. Texas is about the only program that has right of first refusal in their home state. Georgia is quickly becoming the 4th best state for talent and UGA is losing guys to us, Bama, Auburn, etc regularly.

We won't go(at least as school 14) due to the gentlemen's agreement that AD's and presidents in the SEC have and because we would go from top 2 in ACC to around 8th in SEC when it comes to alumni base, booster support, and stadium size.

As for maybe #15 or 16 if the SEC goes that route, that's a different animal depending on what other conferences do, including the ACC.


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[rspencer86]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Starting to hear more and more about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the Pac 12. Could this be the start of the superconference free-for-all?

[AuburnAlumni]

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I already said were not going to the SEC but its not because they are scared of recruiting battles As for your first paragraph, not being arrogant. But Jimbo, and especially Eddie and Craig, have us right there contending for a top 3 class again. We also were constantly bringing in top classes before the former staff began mailing it in on the recruiting front. But it says something when we go into AL and pull 4 of the top 5 recruits. The other committed to Auburn.

No school out of the big 3 will ever have FL on lockdown due to the wealth of talent it provides, although some years are stronger than others. Bama, Michigan, Auburn, USC, etc are still going to get plenty of talent from FL. Texas is about the only program that has right of first refusal in their home state. Georgia is quickly becoming the 4th best state for talent and UGA is losing guys to us, Bama, Auburn, etc regularly.

We won't go(at least as school 14) due to the gentlemen's agreement that AD's and presidents in the SEC have and because we would go from top 2 in ACC to around 8th in SEC when it comes to alumni base, booster support, and stadium size.

As for maybe #15 or 16 if the SEC goes that route, that's a different animal depending on what other conferences do, including the ACC.


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Yeah, state borders, at least in the Southeast, are pretty pointless anyway. A 200 mile radius around Auburn University, which is pretty much the distance most programs try and focus in and around for their recruiting, is a very rich recruiting area talent wise. Columbus, Georgia is more of an "Auburn" city than a Georgia one. Atlanta has as many Auburn grads living there as Georgia Tech alumni. Mobile, Alabama is as much an LSU city as it is an Auburn/Bama city. Everyone gets kids from everyone else. AU has become more "national" recruiting wise under Chizik and Co. grabbing studs from Arkansas, Arizona, Texas, etc. But for the most part, programs get the large majority of their players from that 200 mile radius around their school. It's easier for "Momma and Dad" to come to games, etc. Obvious reasons.

Auburn, Alabama, Florida State...these programs have rock star type recruiting staffs now. That's why you are seeing these schools grab Top 5 classes. FSU going to the SEC or staying in the ACC won't have any effect IMO on their recruiting as long as Jimbo keeps that same group.

[AuburnAlumni]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

Starting to hear more and more about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the Pac 12. Could this be the start of the superconference free-for-all?

You knew it was coming.

Once A&M pulled the trigger, and the SEC is now at 13 teams, waiting to grab a 14th, the dominoes are going to fall and continue to fall.

It's musical chairs. No one wants to get left without a chair when the music stops.

[Jr.]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

You knew it was coming.

Once A&M pulled the trigger, and the SEC is now at 13 teams, waiting to grab a 14th, the dominoes are going to fall and continue to fall.

It's musical chairs. No one wants to get left without a chair when the music stops.

I'm curious as to the changes that the BCS will make to accommodate the new conferences, if any.

I hope they get rid of the ridiculous 2 team per conference limit.

[kodiak]

I know football is the cash cow, but I really hate what the super conf era is going to do to March Madness. The mid-major cinderella runs are going to get fewer and fewer because the big boys aren't going to want to share that money either.

As for what makes the most sense for the SEC would be VT to pull in the VA/MD/DC market. Us, Clemson, and GT offer nothing in that regard. I know what's been said publicly by VT but they will at least listen. You have to listen when a super model asks you to the prom.

Once the 14th team is confirmed, the shuffling will be at a frenzied pace and will open up a clearer picture of what the other 4-5 BCS leagues do. I think that after the music stops, there will be 4 16 team leagues. I also now believe that once it happens, a playoff will become even more difficult to obtain because the presidents of those 64 teams will have all the power. Although, I could only imagine what type of money ESPN, Fox, CBS, could possibly bid if a playoff was formed


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[Jr.]

Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

I know football is the cash cow, but I really hate what the super conf era is going to do to March Madness. The mid-major cinderella runs are going to get fewer and fewer because the big boys aren't going to want to share that money either.

As for what makes the most sense for the SEC would be VT to pull in the VA/MD/DC market. Us, Clemson, and GT offer nothing in that regard. I know what's been said publicly by VT but they will at least listen. You have to listen when a super model asks you to the prom.

Once the 14th team is confirmed, the shuffling will be at a frenzied pace and will open up a clearer picture of what the other 4-5 BCS leagues do. I think that after the music stops, there will be 4 16 team leagues. I also now believe that once it happens, a playoff will become even more difficult to obtain because the presidents of those 64 teams will have all the power. Although, I could only imagine what type of money ESPN, Fox, CBS, could possibly bid if a playoff was formed


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Whenever I start thinking about the superconferences, I can't help but start thinking that they will disband from the rest of the conferences and create their own division within the NCAA (the Super Conference Subdivision, or something). Then I think they'll create a 16 team playoff out of that.

I just don't see how people will be able to differentiate an 11-1 team from the BIG Ten, from an 11-1 team from the SEC, from an 11-1 team from the PAC-16, etc. when the conferences are going to be loaded with 16 schools each.


Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. I don't really understand the meat of how this stuff works.