VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

[roadman]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

Here's what we do know:

They've been working on the game for 2 years.

The biggest feature, true step, will only affect 1-2 players on the field.

Clint admitting to intentionally leaving out Sig animations and random moments like botched snaps because limitations to the game and catering to tourney players.

Presentation is basically unchanged, including the exact cut scenes as previous.

The guys like pasta and Ian who are disassociated with EA and have had hands on time with the game say it plays identical to current Madden.

We have some info to judge, a helluva lot of red flags , and history to go off so far. It's not encouraging at all.

Interesting you didn't mention the war in the trenches video, just all negatives.

Also, I meant giving NG some time vs just one year for these new people to have any impact.

[Jetpac]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

Interesting you didn't mention the war in the trenches video, just all negatives.

Also, I meant giving NG some time vs just one year for these new people to have any impact.

The war in the trenches video, didn't look that good.

[bc21045]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

Interesting you didn't mention the war in the trenches video, just all negatives.

Also, I meant giving NG some time vs just one year for these new people to have any impact.

Do you think they had people playing a version of the game that didn't include the O-line improvements? I don't know when people have had access to the game so I suppose it's possible.

As far as giving them time, they'll have all the time they need, the question is should people be buying the game while they're slowly fixing it. I say no since they're knowingly putting out a subpar product.

[tfctillidie]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

I absolutely hated what was said about bad snaps. It happens in football, it should happen in the game. So what if we have no control over it. Players in real life have no control over the direction of the wind and how hard it's blowing. Players in real life have no control over how wet the ball gets after it's been placed when it's raining. Why should it be a CONTROL issue if these things are organic in the game of football? That is 1 thing I loved about the other game, those moments when the game is riding on a field goal, and the place holder fumbles the snap, or the long snapper snaps it too high. It happens in real life & sure it is frustrating, but that is the beauty of the game of football. I don't want to hear that User Control nonsense.

I have no control when I lose a dice roll and my player drops a pass.

I have no control when I cover the rock, but my player loses a dice roll and fumbles the ball.

I have no control when I throw a pass with perfect timing, to an open spot, but the QB ratings dictate I'm going to miss.


EA is not consistent with this kind of stuff. They just are making excuses to keep the tourney kids happy, or not wanting to invest resources into making this a option that can be toggled.

[jpdavis82]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

The bottom line is that the game is improving and will continue to. If you look for negatives they are there, if you look for positives they're there too. From this point forward it's all about execution and quality of the features that they improve. I know some people disagree, but I'd rather see 2-3 feature additions each cycle that are top notch from now on, instead of 6-7 that have to be redone in a few years from now. In some sort of capacity, WR/DB interactions are said to be one of the big things to look for next year, whether it will be every detail like Rex mentioned in the podcast or not, we don't know, but they are supposed to be worked on for the next few years.

Another thing they are working on is the physics and animation quality, I'd also expect some more work with True Step, maybe every player on the field will have it next year.

From a presentation standpoint it sounds like they will be working on the in game commentary and cameras, hopefully that means they will be going to realtime sideline cuts and TD celebrations.

I'm not expecting Madden 15 to be the best sports game of all time, but I fully expect it to put the conversation of previous football games to rest.

As for Madden 25 next gen, I expect it to restore faith in the minds of a percentage of the sim gamers and show that these devs are serious about making a simulation game. There will still be some doubters but I'm betting they will slowly start to see that things are changing. I think the trench wars will be the clearest sign of the direction the franchise is going, I also think there will be a lot of people frustrated with the passing game due to having a more realistic pocket and a lot less time to pass. I have a feeling that some of the people who will complain will be the same ones who have begged for sim for years.

[roadman]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

Do you think they had people playing a version of the game that didn't include the O-line improvements? I don't know when people have had access to the game so I suppose it's possible.

As far as giving them time, they'll have all the time they need, the question is should people be buying the game while they're slowly fixing it. I say no since they're knowingly putting out a subpar product.

It's a subpar product now, but is it subpar on NG?

As far should people be buying the game, heck, that's up to each individual how they spend their money.

[roadman]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

The war in the trenches video, didn't look that good.

Isn't that a personal opinion?

I saw up field DE push, double team pass blocking and a pocket formation.

3 things I didn't see on this generation, but I guess it's a matter of opinion.

[bc21045]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

It's a subpar product now, but is it subpar on NG?

As far should people be buying the game, heck, that's up to each individual how they spend their money.

Will it be improved on next gen? We all hope so, but there's no question that it will still be a subpar product and will be for at least the next couple years.

[royounggoku]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

No, not really, because that's all on marketing, it's not an indication of the game is too terrible to show. It was obvious EA didn't want the public to see anything until the war in the trenches videos. Rex mentioned last Thursday that Living Worlds should be coming out soon.

I would like to see game play video soon though to measure how well the AI is, but realize they don't have an event like E3 to show off game play.

Why do they need an event to show gameplay?

[Jet Sufferer]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

I'm not expecting Madden 15 to be the best sports game of all time, but I fully expect it to put the conversation of previous football games to rest.

Please, Madden is light years away from even coming close to matching those games released in 2004 and 2007.

Now with some tweaks to their current failed engine they are going to eclipse those games and put the conversation of best football game ever to rest???? Is this a tacit confession that 9 years later they STILL haven't made a game as good as those two? If it's not which Madden is better?

I really don't get the logic. We have a long history of failed predictions from the Sunshine Madden fans but the outlandish predictions continue.

I think any hardcore sim football gamer who has put serious hours into each game and mastered the control system for each game would find this prediction absolutely laughable, but some people only compare Madden to Madden. For those folks I wonder how many if any hours do they have with other football games.

Honestly, JP sometimes I'm not sure if you're even serious sometimes, I don't know if you're just looking for a reaction with some of these hyperbolic predictions. Then you back off, temper your expectations, then you're back again with these bold predictions.

Perhaps a more even keel in regards to this game/series would be the better course? With that being said I fully expect the game to come nowhere close to the 2 old ones and fully expect people to tell me "just wait til' next year.

Someday I'll be in a nursing home, barely able to hold a controller or my bowels and I'll be hearing "wait til' next year". Luckily I'm a Jet fan and I'm used to all of this!

[jpdavis82]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

It's a subpar product now, but is it subpar on NG?

As far should people be buying the game, heck, that's up to each individual how they spend their money.

I've never understood the concept of you should or should not buy such and such games because of ______. If you like the game buy it, if you don't then don't. It's not rocket science.

[royounggoku]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

It's a subpar product now, but is it subpar on NG?

As far should people be buying the game, heck, that's up to each individual how they spend their money.

They haven't exactly been secretive on the front that they have a broken product right now that's in need of repair.

[bc21045]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

I've never understood the concept of you should or should not buy such and such games because of ______. If you like the game buy it, if you don't then don't. It's not rocket science.

You don't understand the concept of wanting poorly made products to sell poorly so that maybe they'll be forced to improve it?

[Jetpac]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

Isn't that a personal opinion?

I saw up field DE push, double team pass blocking and a pocket formation.

3 things I didn't see on this generation, but I guess it's a matter of opinion.

Yea and what I saw was a rocket take off (almost suction like) from the LDE and a crap load of skating. Again, just because it was never in the game before doesn't mean it was implemented correctly.

It didn't look very good.

To their credit they will probably be working on this a lot and I expect by Madden 15 everyone on the field will be moving with true step.. That said, it still falls under the "wait till next year" crap that we always get.

Listen, I get what you are saying. I just don't think this team has the talent to make a really true football game. I will say this, I PRAY THEY MAKE ME EAT THOSE WORDS.

I want to see REAL ROUTES, REAL HAND FIGHTING WITH THE DB, REAL ROUTE BASED TIMING.

Accurate throwing animations and drop backs, and for the love of all that is football, REAL QB scrambles and not that duck running B.S.

[N51_rob]

Re: VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

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As for Madden 25 next gen, I expect it to restore faith in the minds of a percentage of the sim gamers and show that these devs are serious about making a simulation game. There will still be some doubters but I'm betting they will slowly start to see that things are changing. I think the trench wars will be the clearest sign of the direction the franchise is going, I also think there will be a lot of people frustrated with the passing game due to having a more realistic pocket and a lot less time to pass. I have a feeling that some of the people who will complain will be the same ones who have begged for sim for years.

The problem is w/o improved WR/DB play, or route based passing having less time in the pocket to pass means very little because its a "new mechanic" built on top of old code and old issues. If they are gonna fix the passing game that should all be done at once not over another "3 year plan".



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