VSN Arcade Podcast scheduled to interview EA's Rex Dickson and Clint Oldenberg!

[royounggoku]

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Programming is an art. It's not like making widgets on an assembly line. I think a combination of poor/strange design choices, even worse implementation and not having the pressure of a better product breathing down your neck has given us what we have today. Tiburon football. I was excited for about one day until I read this interview and I saw the comments regarding penalties and the bad snaps. That just took all of the wind out of my sails. I look at APF2k8 and I see so many amazing things that make me feel like its football and not madden-ball. The players seem like they are alive and not clones of each other walking aimlessly around like zombies. Clearly, when that game was made, they weren't concerned that a 12 year old was going to throw a tantrum because his snap was high, or he got a pass interference penalty. It's a football game, and those things are as much a part of football as touchdowns and qb sacks.

At this point, I just hope someone else comes along and gets a shot at it. Even if 2k ported APF and rushed out a quick version in a year, it would still be a better game than Madden. What a wasted opportunity this was for EA and they should be embarrassed and ashamed. This is why so many people have just given up on the franchise and moved on.

STOP IT! You're gonna hurt their feelings and they won't come on the forums again!

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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STOP IT! You're gonna hurt their feelings and they won't come on the forums again!

They were voted worst company in America again for a reason. You figure they would want to interact and listen to the community more to fix that. Instead, they basically said nah nah nah we can't hear you. That is if we continue to critique and compare their product. It's really immature of a big company.

[roadman]

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If I see that worse corp in the US one more time.........

Seriously, though, that poll was not from a CNN or Forbes website, business sites that I would respect if the poll came from there.

[roadman]

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Programming is an art. It's not like making widgets on an assembly line.

This is the only part of your post I don't understand.

Other companies have programming departments and it's part of the manufacturing process.

No?

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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If I see that worse corp in the US one more time.........

Seriously, though, that poll was not from a CNN or Forbes website, business sites that I would respect if the poll came from there.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...america-again/

[GiantBlue76]

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This is the only part of your post I don't understand.

Other companies have programming departments and it's part of the manufacturing process.

No?

Huh? Why would programming be part of manufacturing? Nothing related. There is a development process for software engineering, which includes testing. However, bugs will slip through if your testers don't know what they are doing and if the code is just really bad. They have a hard deadline. They won't delay the game because of ****ty code.

It seems to me that Rex probably thinks a lot of the code is crap and he is in a no win situation. He is probably doing the right things here (mostly), because he wants to fix the game. The problem is it's so broken, that it's taking too long, and the longer it goes, the more people they will lose.

[roadman]

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Huh? Why would programming be part of manufacturing? Nothing related. There is a development process for software engineering, which includes testing. However, bugs will slip through if your testers don't know what they are doing and if the code is just really bad. They have a hard deadline. They won't delay the game because of ****ty code.

It seems to me that Rex probably thinks a lot of the code is crap and he is in a no win situation. He is probably doing the right things here (mostly), because he wants to fix the game. The problem is it's so broken, that it's taking too long, and the longer it goes, the more people they will lose.

In my wife's line of work, she helps implement SAP throughout the world and she constantly is working with programmers in her company. She has always referred programmers as part of the manufacturing process, that is where I was getting that from.

Also, in my line of work, I've always aligned programming(whether it's widgets or automobiles) with the manufacturing process. This is what I was taught early on in my career.

Now, maybe software development for a gaming company is a whole different ball of wax vs widgets and cars.

I will also concur with your last paragraph.

In addition, when people post Madden doesn't have the talent, my gut tells me it's all encompassing, developers, programmers, etc.... I think the only people that I see specify programmers is you or Big.

[kenlovin]

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...america-again/

BOOM! also that was a pretty good read, and based on the comments of the COO it sort of gives you an insight into how they feel and respect their customers basically calling us idiots and that they know better.

[roadman]

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...america-again/

Eh, nice try, doesn't count for me, they just reported what the Consumerist poll results discovered.

If the poll was run from Forbes or CNN, I'd put more merit into it.

Plus, this was part of the article.

Is it deserved? No. If we’re being honest, it’s not. There are dozens of companies that are technically, legitimately, actually worse than EA in terms of how much harm they directly cause people, and many of them are on this list. Rather, Consumerist’s poll doesn’t gauge this. Instead, it’s a measure of how annoyed the internet is with a certain brand at the moment.

More on the article:

There are simply not enough equivalent communities on the internet where people go to complain about Bank of America’s fee structures or United’s carry-on bag policies en masse, except of course Consumerist itself.

They are not the worst company in America, nor are they evil.

[infemous]

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Eh, nice try, doesn't count for me, they just reported what the Consumerist poll results discovered.

If the poll was run from Forbes or CNN, I'd put more merit into it.

Plus, this was part of the article.

Is it deserved? No. If we’re being honest, it’s not. There are dozens of companies that are technically, legitimately, actually worse than EA in terms of how much harm they directly cause people, and many of them are on this list. Rather, Consumerist’s poll doesn’t gauge this. Instead, it’s a measure of how annoyed the internet is with a certain brand at the moment.

More on the article:

There are simply not enough equivalent communities on the internet where people go to complain about Bank of America’s fee structures or United’s carry-on bag policies en masse, except of course Consumerist itself.

They are not the worst company in America, nor are they evil.

That's a pretty big aspect of how good a business is. It's not a lesser evil IMO. The companies that cause harm to people should not be allowed to operate full stop, while companies like EA need to work on their customer satisfaction a great deal.

[roadman]

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That's a pretty big aspect of how good a business is. It's not a lesser evil IMO. The companies that cause harm to people should not be allowed to operate full stop, while companies like EA need to work on their customer satisfaction a great deal.

I definitely agree.

As a consumer, EA has a lot to win me over with Live and Madden, but to me, there are worse companies that I deal with vs EA.

[TexasFan2005]

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On a side note, we should be careful about wishing for certain things like botched/high snaps, because we all know how EA tend to implement things; everyone remembers Tyree's catch in the SB, an EA implemented that so that 50% of TE catches looked like that.

[Jetpac]

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I hope we are talking about older talent vs newer talent.

I've heard Ian state that ripping out old code and putting in new code took a long time.

How can we judge the Rex's, Kolbe's and the Clint's of the world when we haven't even seen NG game play yet?

Are you not concerned that we are less than 20 days away from release with not one single gameplay video? I am



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[roadman]

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Are you not concerned that we are less than 20 days away from release with not one single gameplay video? I am



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No, not really, because that's all on marketing, it's not an indication of the game is too terrible to show. It was obvious EA didn't want the public to see anything until the war in the trenches videos. Rex mentioned last Thursday that Living Worlds should be coming out soon.

I would like to see game play video soon though to measure how well the AI is, but realize they don't have an event like E3 to show off game play.

[kjcheezhead]

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I hope we are talking about older talent vs newer talent.

I've heard Ian state that ripping out old code and putting in new code took a long time.

How can we judge the Rex's, Kolbe's and the Clint's of the world when we haven't even seen NG game play yet?

Here's what we do know:

They've been working on the game for 2 years.

The biggest feature, true step, will only affect 1-2 players on the field.

Clint admitting to intentionally leaving out Sig animations and random moments like botched snaps because limitations to the game and catering to tourney players.

Presentation is basically unchanged, including the exact cut scenes as previous.

The guys like pasta and Ian who are disassociated with EA and have had hands on time with the game say it plays identical to current Madden.

We have some info to judge, a helluva lot of red flags , and history to go off so far. It's not encouraging at all.