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  • Smallville102001
    All Star
    • Mar 2015
    • 6542

    #616
    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

    Originally posted by gr18
    I hear ya.People seem to be all over the place with opinions. That's why the best opinion is always your own. I would think having admiringly better qb play and coverage for '16 over '18 would't make '18 way better but whatever.
    Yeah I don't know how some one can say 15 was better then 16 with QB play when 15 was a sack fest and 16 wasn't. BTW was it 16 or 17 that like added being able to block kicks? I don't remember.

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    • Smallville102001
      All Star
      • Mar 2015
      • 6542

      #617
      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

      Originally posted by Hengist
      Yeah, but the elephant in the room over M16 is the fact that you cannot edit rosters in a CFM

      Better CPU Qb play........can't edit ratings.

      You cannot win with this series.
      That is the problem with this franchise for a long time now. Its like ever year something ends up worse then it was the year before.

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      • Smallville102001
        All Star
        • Mar 2015
        • 6542

        #618
        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

        Originally posted by phillyfan23
        Just played a full game of Madden 16 with the Texans against the Bears and trubisky. The cpu qb ai is NIGHT and DAY compared to madden 18.

        1) No qb statue sacks
        2) better pocket awareness
        3)proper cpu qb throwaways
        4) real scrambles for significant yards.

        Trubisky scrambled 4 times

        First one went to his right for 5 yards after avoiding a sack

        2nd one he scrambled to
        His left for 7 yards when all was covered.

        3rd instance i sent a blitz trubisky tried to rush outside but it was a sack loss of 2 yds.

        4th attempt was me in a zone on 3rd and 9 and trubisky went up the middle after all receivers were covered and broke this one for 16 yds.

        4 rushes for 26 yards

        I finished with 3 sacks, none were statue , trubisky had 3 throwaways at appropriate times.

        Like armor sword said, if he plays madden 16 again, he will shelve 18. And its heading that way for me unless the devs pull one out of their hats to restore cpu qb ai like madden 16.

        Any classic rosters for madden 16 you guys know of?




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        Wow madden 16 was the only madden game I liked in the last like 10 years but I don't remember seeing your 4th point at all. I wonder if the first patch or at least the first like after day 1 patch messed that up or something. The problem to is that if you want to play any games with out a patch you like have to get rid of the patch over and over again as ps4 will keep like downloading it if you are connected to the internet.

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        • phillyfan23
          MVP
          • Feb 2005
          • 2319

          #619
          As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

          Originally posted by Smallville102001
          Wow madden 16 was the only madden game I liked in the last like 10 years but I don't remember seeing your 4th point at all. I wonder if the first patch or at least the first like after day 1 patch messed that up or something. The problem to is that if you want to play any games with out a patch you like have to get rid of the patch over and over again as ps4 will keep like downloading it if you are connected to the internet.


          Ok so the last 2 games i played .....

          Played against the bears again and trubisky trubisky rushed 3 times this game....the first 2 he reeled runs of 20 and 21 yards and the last run was only 3 yards after avoiding a sack.

          The next game i played the dolphins against cutler a balanced trait Qb....

          In the first quarter alone: he rushed twice. Once for a first down on 2nd and 5 and once a 13 yrd touchdown scramble on 1st and 10. Had to turn game off as a guest came to visit..but 2 meaningful qb runs in one quarter from an avg speed balnced qb in cutler....you just wont see this on either 17 or 18.

          Its absolutely glorious....this using the last patch last tuner as i just re downloaded 16 again last night.


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          • Smallville102001
            All Star
            • Mar 2015
            • 6542

            #620
            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

            Originally posted by phillyfan23
            Ok so the last 2 games i played .....

            Played against the bears again and trubisky trubisky rushed 3 times this game....the first 2 he reeled runs of 20 and 21 yards and the last run was only 3 yards after avoiding a sack.

            The next game i played the dolphins against cutler a balanced trait Qb....

            In the first quarter alone: he rushed twice. Once for a first down on 2nd and 5 and once a 13 yrd touchdown scramble on 1st and 10. Had to turn game off as a guest came to visit..but 2 meaningful qb runs in one quarter from an avg speed balnced qb in cutler....you just wont see this on either 17 or 18.

            Its absolutely glorious....this using the last patch last tuner as i just re downloaded 16 again last night.


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            Oh wow odd that you had that with the patch and tuner. Kind of wish I just had madden 16 still lol. That is the frustrating thing is madden not some of game but madden has done QB play while before. Heck for the heck of it I just played a half of madden 04 on gamecube and yeah graphically the game is ugly lol but I just wanted to see how the CPU QB would play. I was losing 21-0 at half time all pro never been great at madden and forget the controls for madden on gamecube. I played the Falcons and Michael Vick for a half and Vick had 1 rush for 12 yards another one where he got to the line on a play where it looked like he had a hole but I was able to close it up and like 1 play where he stepped up in the pocket and ended up throwing a pick but it looked great and like 1 or 2 other plays where he moved in the pocket a little bit.

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            • roadman
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #621
              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

              Sack issue fix from JoshC confirmed by Armour and Sword:

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              • extremeskins04
                That's top class!
                • Aug 2010
                • 3868

                #622
                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                So according to Rex's tweet, they're tuning up zone defense and PASS RUSH in the upcoming patch. I'm a little concerned on what exactly they're doing with the pass rush tuning. Shouldn't they be fixing the QB awareness and scrambling instead? Tuning pass rush could increase sack totals even beyond what they are now.

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                • vrtkolman
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 308

                  #623
                  Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                  Originally posted by roadman
                  Sack issue fix from JoshC confirmed by Armour and Sword:

                  http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-cfm-only.html
                  JoshC is the best. Great job Josh! However, I told myself I'm not going to go through another Madden iteration where you have to edit rosters to make the game playable. It's just too tedious, and it kind of ruins the "flow" of franchise mode. Does this not make each QB less individual and more of "each QB feels the same"?

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                  • JoshC1977
                    All Star
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 11564

                    #624
                    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                    Originally posted by extremeskins04
                    So according to Rex's tweet, they're tuning up zone defense and PASS RUSH in the upcoming patch. I'm a little concerned on what exactly they're doing with the pass rush tuning. Shouldn't they be fixing the QB awareness and scrambling instead? Tuning pass rush could increase sack totals even beyond what they are now.

                    I disagree. Madden gets into more trouble when pass rush is low. I think that when there is no pass rush and qbs are not harried, there is nothing to 'prompt' them to do anything. So, you lose all semblance of variety.

                    With the qb ai issue seemingly resolved with the qb edit, I think that the improvement to pass rush will be a truly good thing.




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                    • extremeskins04
                      That's top class!
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 3868

                      #625
                      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                      Originally posted by JoshC1977
                      I disagree. Madden gets into more trouble when pass rush is low. I think that when there is no pass rush and qbs are not harried, there is nothing to 'prompt' them to do anything. So, you lose all semblance of variety.

                      With the qb ai issue seemingly resolved with the qb edit, I think that the improvement to pass rush will be a truly good thing.




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                      Yea I think you're right man. Good point.

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                      • JoshC1977
                        All Star
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 11564

                        #626
                        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                        Originally posted by vrtkolman
                        JoshC is the best. Great job Josh! However, I told myself I'm not going to go through another Madden iteration where you have to edit rosters to make the game playable. It's just too tedious, and it kind of ruins the "flow" of franchise mode. Does this not make each QB less individual and more of "each QB feels the same"?
                        This is the thing though, you only have to adjust one setting before each game. It takes about a minute.

                        And no, I don't think it will make all QBs play the same. Pocket awareness and other traits really are the ones that really matter imo.
                        Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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                        • bobloblah1980
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 459

                          #627
                          Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                          Originally posted by Smallville102001
                          That is the problem with this franchise for a long time now. Its like ever year something ends up worse then it was the year before.
                          I believe you can't edit xp sliders in offline cfm in 16 no?. That's a big one too

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                          • bobloblah1980
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 459

                            #628
                            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                            I know this is a personal preference thing but am I better off staying with 17? Going back to 16? Or wait it out on 18 which I haven't purchased yet or maybe not at all

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                            • MAzing87
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 597

                              #629
                              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                              Originally posted by Smallville102001
                              Yeah I don't know how some one can say 15 was better then 16 with QB play when 15 was a sack fest and 16 wasn't. BTW was it 16 or 17 that like added being able to block kicks? I don't remember.
                              The controls for NBA is a gripe that I have. You never really truly have control of the player at times. Im not expecting to move at a drop of a dime but the controls could be somewhat better. At least they don't move like robots like in Madden. NBA 2K is decent. I find myself playing the series 5 years straight now.

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                              • Cowboy008
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 4574

                                #630
                                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                Sack issue fix from JoshC confirmed by Armour and Sword:

                                http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-cfm-only.html
                                Played Brady and he has ideal and I sacked him 7 times.

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