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  • extremeskins04
    That's top class!
    • Aug 2010
    • 3868

    #661
    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

    Originally posted by D81SKINS
    This should be enough, right?!?
    I mean you would think but getting him to look at it is another story.

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    • extremeskins04
      That's top class!
      • Aug 2010
      • 3868

      #662
      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

      I mean if he wants a break down:

      1. CPU teams calling 4 Verts, PA Verts, or any long PA pass that has a "streaks like route" is usually where the breakdown is.

      2. Pocket Passer QB's should throw the ball away if possible. Balanced QB's should behave more like Aaron Rodgers where he throws it away some and runs some. Mobile QB's should be scrambling and making defenses pay for the great coverage downfield.

      3. QB's running toward the LOS with daylight in front of them only to pass it back across their body is a serious legacy issue.

      4. The QB traits are not working as they should. QB's are more aggressive with the Conservative Force Passes trait than without it. This has been tested thoroughly.


      We can start there. If we can get that to Rex somehow. Problem is there's only a limited amount of text you can send in a tweet.

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      • D81SKINS
        MVP
        • Dec 2014
        • 1671

        #663
        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

        Originally posted by extremeskins04
        I mean if he wants a break down:

        1. CPU teams calling 4 Verts, PA Verts, or any long PA pass that has a "streaks like route" is usually where the breakdown is.

        2. Pocket Passer QB's should throw the ball away if possible. Balanced QB's should behave more like Aaron Rodgers where he throws it away some and runs some. Mobile QB's should be scrambling and making defenses pay for the great coverage downfield.

        3. QB's running toward the LOS with daylight in front of them only to pass it back across their body is a serious legacy issue.

        4. The QB traits are not working as they should. QB's are more aggressive with the Conservative Force Passes trait than without it. This has been tested thoroughly.


        We can start there. If we can get that to Rex somehow. Problem is there's only a limited amount of text you can send in a tweet.
        I just tweeted him the link to this pg. Hope they reply

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        • cable guy
          MVP
          • Jul 2005
          • 3288

          #664
          Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

          Originally posted by D81SKINS
          Why did we get a "Sim" Mode? Hopefully to improve upon the Sim experience, which includes, Vs CPU and the CPU QB's.
          It's not hard to see the difference in QB's that can be dual threats in M25 vs M18....
          That's my biggest thing! Rex heard us. Talked about addressing what the sim community wanted.Talked about ratings. John White( I believe) was I'm charge of teams play like they do IRL. QBs missing throws. Backups missing more. Gave us Sim mode.

          AND..... then this.


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          • jetMFset
            Rookie
            • Aug 2016
            • 31

            #665
            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

            Tweeted Clint "No news. Investagating we'll keep you posted if something happens" So it definitely in the 1st patch come mid September...

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            • DeuceDouglas
              Madden Dev Team
              • Apr 2010
              • 4297

              #666
              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

              Originally posted by extremeskins04
              I mean if he wants a break down:

              1. CPU teams calling 4 Verts, PA Verts, or any long PA pass that has a "streaks like route" is usually where the breakdown is.

              2. Pocket Passer QB's should throw the ball away if possible. Balanced QB's should behave more like Aaron Rodgers where he throws it away some and runs some. Mobile QB's should be scrambling and making defenses pay for the great coverage downfield.

              3. QB's running toward the LOS with daylight in front of them only to pass it back across their body is a serious legacy issue.

              4. The QB traits are not working as they should. QB's are more aggressive with the Conservative Force Passes trait than without it. This has been tested thoroughly.


              We can start there. If we can get that to Rex somehow. Problem is there's only a limited amount of text you can send in a tweet.
              Pretty much spot on. Add curls to #1 as well. There needs to be some kind of timer that QB's have that tells them to either run, throw, or throw away at a given time in any play. That's basically what traits are intended to do but like you said they're not really working or having an effect as they should. Screens are a separate issue but they need to never result in sacks.

              I really worry that if they tighten up coverage and don't touch this issue it's going to get really bad. It's bad enough right now with weak pass rush and horrid coverage. I don't even want to think about what it could look like with stronger rush and tighter coverage.

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              • cable guy
                MVP
                • Jul 2005
                • 3288

                #667
                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                Originally posted by D81SKINS
                I know I've tweeted both Clint and Rex about this. Maybe if we all tweet the same complaints, they would at least acknowledge us.
                I did as well.

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                • cable guy
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 3288

                  #668
                  Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                  Originally posted by extremeskins04
                  The reason is because the game is tuned for competitive play, H2H or online. I don't want to sound like a broken record but if you looked at the Twitter stats on how many people tweeted Rex and which category of people Rex responded to, it would be extremely in favor of online players and competitive players.
                  Absolutely. And I get it. I don't like it, but I understand it's business. But I just get why the game is in the state it is....With Some Very important aspects of an NFL video football game lacking. Putting H2H tops on the list is one thing. NO effort whatsoever to offline sim is another thing.

                  Maybe it is not feasible to adjust the sim gameplay. Is it too hard(cost wise?) at this point, tuning 2 main modes of play? Within a budget? Idk

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                  • bad_philanthropy
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 12167

                    #669
                    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                    Originally posted by extremeskins04
                    I mean if he wants a break down:

                    1. CPU teams calling 4 Verts, PA Verts, or any long PA pass that has a "streaks like route" is usually where the breakdown is.

                    2. Pocket Passer QB's should throw the ball away if possible. Balanced QB's should behave more like Aaron Rodgers where he throws it away some and runs some. Mobile QB's should be scrambling and making defenses pay for the great coverage downfield.

                    3. QB's running toward the LOS with daylight in front of them only to pass it back across their body is a serious legacy issue.

                    4. The QB traits are not working as they should. QB's are more aggressive with the Conservative Force Passes trait than without it. This has been tested thoroughly.


                    We can start there. If we can get that to Rex somehow. Problem is there's only a limited amount of text you can send in a tweet.
                    List is spot on. This is what we want the devs to focus on.

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                    • GrayDawg
                      Pro
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 864

                      #670
                      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                      Originally posted by D81SKINS
                      I know I've tweeted both Clint and Rex about this. Maybe if we all tweet the same complaints, they would at least acknowledge us.
                      I have also tweeted at them and no acknowledgement.

                      Sent from my SM-G900P using Operation Sports mobile app

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                      • GrayDawg
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 864

                        #671
                        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                        Maybe someone should catch him on one of his streams and ask him directly.

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                        • RogerDodger
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2016
                          • 1082

                          #672
                          Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                          Originally posted by extremeskins04
                          The reason is because the game is tuned for competitive play, H2H or online. I don't want to sound like a broken record but if you looked at the Twitter stats on how many people tweeted Rex and which category of people Rex responded to, it would be extremely in favor of online players and competitive players.
                          This thread of tweets simply reinforces what is said in the post above.



                          He's already listening to what the competitive gamers want fixed and lining them up, toning things down like jukes - but nowhere does he mention CPU QB AI.

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                          • bcruise
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 23274

                            #673
                            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                            Originally posted by jetMFset
                            Tweeted Clint "No news. Investagating we'll keep you posted if something happens" So it definitely in the 1st patch come mid September...
                            Problem is, they're not going to find anything wrong if they're basing the investigation results on 6 minute quarters...

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                            • jetMFset
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 31

                              #674
                              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                              Originally posted by bcruise
                              Problem is, they're not going to find anything wrong if they're basing the investigation results on 6 minute quarters...
                              I meant to say "not in the patch" but thats what they are using as a base for the information they are gathering. 5-7 minute qtrs. If they acutally look thru the forum and can address cpu qb ai and traits not working correctly then thats a start. Play calling also, 30-40% of the time its either verticals or a PA shot play.

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                              • booker21
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 4928

                                #675
                                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                                Originally posted by jetMFset
                                I meant to say "not in the patch" but thats what they are using as a base for the information they are gathering. 5-7 minute qtrs. If they acutally look thru the forum and can address cpu qb ai and traits not working correctly then thats a start. Play calling also, 30-40% of the time its either verticals or a PA shot play.


                                Just get rid of 4 vert play. It has been a horrible play since ever!


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                                English, is not my first language.

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