As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

So is 16 good with QB AI or no? I'm more confused than I was before lol.

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Oh wow yeah I don't remember that at all. I know last year the like last patch or 2nd to last patch messed up QB accuracy way to much. Maybe I should get 16 and go completely patch less then lol.

I don't know if at retail QB's played differently, but in this video the ai play is indistinguishable to how they play in 18. In the video Cam has 3 carries for 3 yards.

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[phillyfan23]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

So is 16 good with QB AI or no? I'm more confused than I was before lol.

Madden 16 had the best cpu QB ai of the series....

The scrambler QBs could hurt you running and with proper sliders, cpu and human qbs were not too accurate, it was just right...overthrows and underthrows eapecially the bad to mediocre QBs.


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[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Madden 16 had the best cpu QB ai of the series....

The scrambler QBs could hurt you running and with proper sliders, cpu and human qbs were not too accurate, it was just right...overthrows and underthrows eapecially the bad to mediocre QBs.


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But was that good CPU QB play at release AND after all the patches?

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Madden 16 had the best cpu QB ai of the series....

The scrambler QBs could hurt you running and with proper sliders, cpu and human qbs were not too accurate, it was just right...overthrows and underthrows eapecially the bad to mediocre QBs.


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I really think it was Madden 15 where QB's would scramble. I could be wrong though. I just remember playing as the Bears in CFM and having Cam Newton run through me in a playoff game.

EDIT: Went through Mr. Hurriicane's franchise series from Madden 15 and Madden 16 to look at stats and some selection of ai qb play (he tries to play as sim as possible). Cpu QB's like Russell and Kepernick would routinely have 4-5 carries for 20-70 yards.

[Hengist]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I really think it was Madden 15 where QB's would scramble. I could be wrong though. I just remember playing as the Bears in CFM and having Cam Newton run through me in a playoff game.

My memory recalls 15 being an absolute sackfest. That was the one I returned in 3 days flat.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

guys...i might have found something to help the sack issue...i haven't seen anyone else talk about this...if u are willing to help test this with me...please shoot me a message

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I will test this for sure....and I will also go through the other generic playbooks and check the star ratings etc.

[gr18]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

'16 played really well after the final patch for certain. You could tell the difference between higher and lower rates qbs with their accuracy.

Scrambling seems to happen more later in games and after you get pressure and sacks but they certainly aren't statues and I've actually gotten burnt by qbs that have only moderate mobility.

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Here is some data. User vs AI from Mr. Hurricane's CFM series' giving a sample comparing Madden 15 AI QB rushing performance per game. These are from user vs ai games and I've listed some sample AI QB rushing totals from his Madden 15 and Madden 16 CFM series.

I even went through a lot of the rushing attempts and the rushing totals in Madden 15 were mostly decent scrambles to escape pressure. Still too many sacks, but there was far more scrambling compared to the investigation into 16. Madden 16 resembled 17 and 18

Madden 15

Spoiler

Russell Wilson 6-43


Christian Ponder 3-35


Andrew Luck 3-19


Colin Kaepernick 4-51


Aaron Rodgers 2-41


Johnny Manziel 4-53

Madden 16

Spoiler

Marcus Mariota 1-7


Marcus Mariota 4-35


E.J. Manuel 2-0


Andrew Luck No rushing attempts


Johnny Manziel 2-8


Aaron Rodgers 3-. -1


Ryan Tannehill No rushing attempts


Cam Newton 3-3

EDIT: screwed up the image links first time

[phillyfan23]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

'16 played really well after the final patch for certain. You could tell the difference between higher and lower rates qbs with their accuracy.



Scrambling seems to happen more later in games and after you get pressure and sacks but they certainly aren't statues and I've actually gotten burnt by qbs that have only moderate mobility.

Anyone got updated rosters for 16??? Id gladly go back to that game if 18 is not fixed by the dev team


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[cable guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

As a community are the Devs even looking at this? My tweets don't seem to matter.

I've tweeted to Rex. And then actually John White

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[gr18]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Here is some data. User vs AI from Mr. Hurricane's CFM series' giving a sample comparing Madden 15 AI QB rushing performance per game. These are from user vs ai games and I've listed some sample AI QB rushing totals from his Madden 15 and Madden 16 CFM series.

I even went through a lot of the rushing attempts and the rushing totals in Madden 15 were mostly decent scrambles to escape pressure. Still too many sacks, but there was far more scrambling compared to the investigation into 16. Madden 16 resembled 17 and 18

Madden 15

Spoiler

Russell Wilson 6-43


Christian Ponder 3-35


Andrew Luck 3-19


Colin Kaepernick 4-51


Aaron Rodgers 2-41


Johnny Manziel 4-53

Madden 16

Spoiler

Marcus Mariota 1-7


Marcus Mariota 4-35


E.J. Manuel 2-0


Andrew Luck No rushing attempts


Johnny Manziel 2-8


Aaron Rodgers 3-. -1


Ryan Tannehill No rushing attempts

That's fine and all but I'd invite anyone that has '16 to play and see the difference for themselves. Not that anything is consistently perfect,we're talking Madden here,but if nothing else the plays where the qb hits the line of scrimmage like a glass wall and chucks it downfield you'll instead see them take off.

Again,not perfect but far from the pocket awareness and movement we've seen since.

[cable guy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

No this qbu ai has not been an issue for years. It was COMPLETELY realistic in madden 16. It was even better than "gasp" nfl 2k5....actually it was MUCH better. They did something to mess it up but if they did it before they can do it again and deliver good qb ai.


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Your right. This started just last year. I thought my game was broke at first

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[gr18]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Anyone got updated rosters for 16??? Id gladly go back to that game if 18 is not fixed by the dev team


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I was playing a franchise I had going so don't know about updated rosters. There are many historical rosters made I know.

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

That's fine and all but I'd invite anyone that has '16 to play and see the difference for themselves. Not that anything is consistently perfect,we're talking Madden here,but if nothing else the plays where the qb hits the line of scrimmage like a glass wall and chucks it downfield you'll instead see them take off.

Again,not perfect but far from the pocket awareness and movement we've seen since.

It might have been like that before all the patches, but at some point during that cycle I believe the QB's did start hitting the glass wall.

*sigh* I think I'll dig Madden 16 out and give it a test.