Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

[LBzrule]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Yeah I hate the cadence stuff myself. You have no control over whether your DL jumps off. One thing that might make it more balanced is if they made it just as likely your OL would false start, especially if you have too many generics on the line. But I hate it when people do it to me online.



This is what I thought you were talking about earlier. DBs on the whole should not be effective tacklers, while DL and LBs should be moreso. Of course players like Night Train, Woodson, Lott, etc. would be exceptions in the secondary. I haven't seen people nickel and diming to the level it was done in past Madden's, but I'd think that would be something that could be somewhat alleviated by tweaking the ratings since the player interaction in APF is much more robust (you won't see a small DB completely occupying an OL for example)

Yeah, I was sitting there laughing cause dude was upset he couldn't stop my run. Then all of a sudden he comes out in dime, I start laughing harder then my blockers do not block guys because they are lined up wide. I was like WTF? I ran the Iso and the Nickel and Dime backs just crash inside and stop the iso because the Oline does not recognize them. I hate stuff like that. It just make you see the bad stuff with the game. I can't let it slide because I blasted EA for it. But then to see it happening here too

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

The biggest mistake made was making the Tourney on ALL-PRO. With the defensive problems this suffers from ALL-PRO is an ARCADE-FEST. Broken Tackles left & right, DB's dropping clear INT's. Triple team catches by super-human recievers. Legend would've help tone some of that stuff down

Sorry to hear about the way you lost LB. The Cadence is this game is just another piece of the Over-Programming this game suffers from. I really hope they patch this game soon

[Disasterpiece]

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I was almost convinced guys but nahhh after playing the 2nd round of the tourney I'm not convinced....

Oddly enough, I'm convinced the other way. You are right, there are some major flaws in this game.

On a side note, I played Freak a few times. That guy is really good, anybody that's played him, what's his legends list? That guy can put the pressure on.

[TombSong]

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Oddly enough, I'm convinced the other way. You are right, there are some major flaws in this game.

On a side note, I played Freak a few times. That guy is really good, anybody that's played him, what's his legends list? That guy can put the pressure on.

Ahh you played the dark side of the force, LOL. I got beat again tonight. Its really pitiful. LOL
Didnt score at all. Came close on one drive then threw a int in the endzone. I think my neighbors think I am crazy hearing me yell at my TV, LOL

[LBzrule]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

The biggest mistake made was making the Tourney on ALL-PRO. With the defensive problems this suffers from ALL-PRO is an ARCADE-FEST. Broken Tackles left & right, DB's dropping clear INT's. Triple team catches by super-human recievers. Legend would've help tone some of that stuff down

Sorry to hear about the way you lost LB. The Cadence is this game is just another piece of the Over-Programming this game suffers from. I really hope they patch this game soon

Yeah the thing is, it was no secret to me who he was going to throw it to. He was going to Sharpe alot there were at least 4 times I just knew I had an interception. And the DB ran right pass Sharpe in some dumb animation. Sharpe catches the ball and I am the only one there (CB in cover 3 I switch over to Safety). And without doing anything Sharpe automatically breaks the tackle just like Earl would. After that you know what the deal was. The thing was I never got rattled because he was not stopping my offense either. I tell you what, on one play, I called Cover 4. He dropped back and I looked up and Cliff Branch was all by himself. I have no clue where my Safety and CB went. Branch was out there all alone and of course he lobbed it up and got the TD.

And I can't count the number of times I got him in 3rd and 15 + and he just wing it up to Sharpe and I have 3 DB's there and they scatter like roaches when the light come on I really hope VC gets another shot to show us what that can do on 360 and PS3.

[dunelly]

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In cover 4 there are 4 deep guys covering the field evenly. The problem is, if that WR is running a streak, only that deep corner will run with him. The 2 other safeties won't drop back more than 10 yards if there's ANY receivers under them.
Basically unless you get pressure, cover 4 turns into man coverage, leaving sharpe 1 on 1 with the cornerback.
Big flaw in the zone coverages. Rule #1 never let anyone behind you.

[LBzrule]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

In cover 4 there are 4 deep guys covering the field evenly. The problem is, if that WR is running a streak, only that deep corner will run with him. The 2 other safeties won't drop back more than 10 yards if there's ANY receivers under them.
Basically unless you get pressure, cover 4 turns into man coverage, leaving sharpe 1 on 1 with the cornerback.

Yeah but the thing is the CB didn't even run with him. He didn't turn and start running until the ball was in the air. Branch was like 20 yards up the field I was like WTF. That's why the tourney was kinda mehh. I didn't have coverage corners because the settings were for balance corners That's probably why both of us lit it up too. That had to be the most offensive game I have every played in a video game and you know I was fuming. The other thing too is I don't set my defense up to take away 1 person. I think that is a mistake especially against a good gamer. See he tried to take Sharpe away from me, but I tore him up with Taylor, Branch, Trippi and some generic. He had 1 pass to Branch, everything else was Sharpe. Now if he had used Taylor too

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

This is the stats from the sliders I made for head to head in the slider section. PERFECT GAME!!!!!!

Another excellent game from these sliders.

Created Saints(ME) 24
Vs
Created Packers(Oaklandnets) 35

8 Min quarters

Passing
(Saints)Brees - 17/26 - 65% - 282 yards - 3 TD - 2 INT - 2 Sacks
(Pack)Farve - 17/27 - 62% - 390 yards - 4 TD - 1 INT - 2 Sacks

Rushing
(Saints)Duece - 9 for 43 yards - 4.8 per carry - 11 long
(Saints)Bush - 8 for 13 yards - 1.6 per carry - 8 long
(Pack)Morency - 11 for 24 yards - 2.2 per carry - 1 TD

Receiving
(Saints)Bush - 8 for 86 yards - 35 long
(Pack)Driver - 8 for 229 yards - 72 long - 3 TD

Defense
(Saints)Brady - 5 TKL - 1 AST
(Saints)Lett - 4 TKL - 1 Sack
(Pack)Charles Woodson - 7 TKL - 3 AST - 1 PD
(pack)Collins - 6 TKL - 1 AST - 1PD

It was a excellent game. Saints get the ball first and manage to drive down and have to settle for a 41 yard Fg that was GOOD

Starting off Farve was unstoppable through the air connecting quick for a 50 yard wide open Driver for TD. After that the Saints(me) started grounding it out on the ground converting on 3rd down after 3rd down. Brees connected with Henderson on a corner route for TD inside the redzone.

Next possession Morency comes out and bust a couple of nice gains. Stats reflect other wise cause after those couple of runs everything else was stuffed in the backfield. Farve comes out and hits Driver for a couple of dink and dunkers to set up his second TD to driver which he did a back of the endzone toe drag.

Brees take the saints next possession driving down the field. They get within the 35 when Brees gets put under pressure and takes a shot into double coverage that was picked off by the Packers.

Saints Followed with Mike McKenzie making his only INT at around the 50 late in the 2nd quarter. Saints then drove down to the 1. The packers stood tall and managed to get in the backfield on two straight runs pushing the Saints back to the 4. On forth down the saints wanted to go for a FG to make the game a 1 point game and the end of the half. NOOOO it is BLOCKED by the packers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HalfTime Score - 28 - 24 Packers Lead

Coming out into the second half the Packers get the ball and don't go very far before they are forced to punt. Brees ends up throwing his second pick of the day that ended with the packers driving down and punching one in with Morency.

Second half was all defense. With the saints failing to put any points on the board.

Finial score Packers 35 - Saints 24

VERY REALISTIC GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

[101]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

You can acheive realistic stats by playing a football manager game. The issues are with gameplay mechanics.

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

talking without trying them way to go buddy. First I have fixed many of the problems that come stock.

The pursuit slider helps BIG time with the dumb Linebackers that stand there and do not react to the play. It also has them blitzing and hitting holes much quicker.

The coverage slider helps ALOT on the poor db play on certain routes like the out route.

INT at 100 makes it where if a DB gets two hands on it 8/10 times it will be picked. More often than not it is picked than dropped which is realistic in my opinion.

Now you say game play mechanics, well yea SOME things can't be fixed. But alot of minor nagging problems can be fixed and I have shown that. But I can tell you just would rather come here and complain than to try and find a solution.

The STATS as you say are great and the gameplayed GREAT. Running backs breaking big run after big run was not a problem. But my Saints have a decent run defense, but poor pass defense which showed.

I keep my mouth shut on alot of things BUT it makes me so pissed when like I am trying to do is make the game more realistic and instead of coming here being happy that someone is trying to do something for the community you sit there and write a excuse on how it CAN'T be fixed. Well I am sorry to burst ya bubble but I think alot of the problem we can see CAN be delt with sliders.

Maybe I should posts like this

"The defense is soft, we can only wait to see if 2k9 or later will be better. It is broken and the pass coverage, linebackers not seeing play quick enough is a game killer for me."

I am so done with the cry babies in the 2k community. Go ahead and stick your thumb back up your #$% cause that is about all the good you are doing with your whinning posts.

Peace I am out

P.S. Ohh yea and while you sit here and complain on end, I will be running a league with the sliders and having much better games. Looks like I will be having a better 2K experience than you will

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

You can acheive realistic stats by playing a football manager game. The issues are with gameplay mechanics.

Sounds like he had a good/great gameplay experience. While complaints can be made where the gameplay mechanics aren't as good as we'd collectively like them to be, it's not like the game is horrible to play. And it's still better than any other option currently available imo

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Sounds like he had a good/great gameplay experience. While complaints can be made where the gameplay mechanics aren't as good as we'd collectively like them to be, it's not like the game is horrible to play. And it's still better than any other option currently available imo

Thing is if he would of read there is a couple of things in there that show right away that the gameplay is better. I stated how Morency had a couple of nice runs but after that I hit him in the backfield OFTEN. How often does that happen stock???? Then I drive to the 1 and he holds me on 3 straight runs from the 1 stuffing the run. How often does that happen stock????? It is because the Pursuit sliders makes the Linebackers act MUCH more real with reaction speed and closing the holes. But it is easier for some to complain that to give it a shot.

[101]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Sounds like he had a good/great gameplay experience. While complaints can be made where the gameplay mechanics aren't as good as we'd collectively like them to be, it's not like the game is horrible to play. And it's still better than any other option currently available imo

Its not horrible. I honestly find it a bit boring, but thats neither here nor there.

[Disasterpiece]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Ahh you played the dark side of the force, LOL. I got beat again tonight. Its really pitiful. LOL
Didnt score at all. Came close on one drive then threw a int in the endzone. I think my neighbors think I am crazy hearing me yell at my TV, LOL

I've played him 3 times. I lost 17 to 24 or something my last game. I just want to know what his legend set is to see if I can generate the same kind of pressure he does. He's also amazing at manual picks, I texted him to ask how he did it, he said luck.

[TombSong]

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I've played him 3 times. I lost 17 to 24 or something my last game. I just want to know what his legend set is to see if I can generate the same kind of pressure he does. He's also amazing at manual picks, I texted him to ask how he did it, he said luck.

You play him better than I do. I think our first game we played was a close game, but every game after that he has tore me a new one. I can hold him for a while, but my offense just falls apart.