Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

[burnwood]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Now, could 2k8 defense be better. Yes. Can I stop and contain most gold rbs. Yes. I got beat up by Earl last night for 120 yards on 14 carries. The first half I held Earl to under 2.5 yards a carry. In the second half I went away from my game play and he broke lose. My bad.

Oh yeah. This was a day one buy for me but I have not played with Earl ever. Not even in practice. Why? Too easy, not because he was arcadey but because in his prime he was close to being unstoppable.

Peace

PS

You know I respect your football knowledge but Earl was a beast in real life.

Hmmm... all that to say Earl was a beast? No one denies that. The reason the legends are in the game is because they were all 'beasts' at some point in their career, so the point is moot IMO.

You admitted to getting away from your gameplan that allowed that score. Well, typically you should suffer. But that's not the issue here. Explain breaking a tackle AS he receives the handoff--multiple tackles, in the backfield, by LEGENDS. lol No, you may not have seen this personally. I understand.

Here's an experience I'll never forget. Pitch left, pitch right, pitch left, pitch right. All game long. No fatigue. 3 attempted passes. All runs by Earl. Maybe 15 broken tackles. LOL. The guy still lost by 3 but COME ON! I'm not debating the W/L just the principle.

[grunt]

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Hmmm... all that to say Earl was a beast? No one denies that. The reason the legends are in the game is because they were all 'beasts' at some point in their career, so the point is moot IMO.

You admitted to getting away from your gameplan that allowed that score. Well, typically you should suffer. But that's not the issue here. Explain breaking a tackle AS he receives the handoff--multiple tackles, in the backfield, by LEGENDS. lol No, you may not have seen this personally. I understand.

Here's an experience I'll never forget. Pitch left, pitch right, pitch left, pitch right. All game long. No fatigue. 3 attempted passes. All runs by Earl. Maybe 15 broken tackles. LOL. The guy still lost by 3 but COME ON! I'm not debating the W/L just the principle.

This has never happen to me but it is so easy not to play Earl. If Earl making this game arcadey for some avoid him online and offline lower sliders will do the job. I like playing against Earl. I just take as a challenge. I don't care about record or ranking just having a good game.

Peace

[TombSong]

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This has never happen to me but it is so easy not to play Earl. If Earl making this game arcadey for some avoid him online and offline lower sliders will do the job. I like playing against Earl. I just take as a challenge. I don't care about record or ranking just having a good game.

Peace

This is what alot of these guys have got to start doing, just having fun with the game. Experiment with the defenses and see what works and what does not. We are telling yall you can stop these backs(and no you dont have to be in goal line to do it) but yall are just ignoring that and comparing him Earl Campbell blasting you in this game with real world stuff.

You are not playing in the real world. You are in 2K land were Earl Campbell is a dangerous RB with a wallet that says "bad azz mutherF*****" in his back pocket. You have been provided the tools to stop him. You can choose to cry and wish the game was different which none of us can do anything about at the moment or learn what you have to do to stop him, because you CAN stop him.

Yes, the game needs tweaking and yes I will even concede to you they need to fix the fronts and the random gap blitzes and get the LB's shading however yall want them to.

Also that video with Randall throwing the ball means nothing. In a game situation him being able to do that will net him NOTHING. Even against a novice, just picked up 2k and never played it before guy could defend someone trying to do that in this game.

[TheShizNo1]

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I think people get caught up in the realism of the game and forget exactly that, that it's just a game. Have fun!!!!!

[grunt]

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This is what alot of these guys have got to start doing, just having fun with the game. Experiment with the defenses and see what works and what does not. We are telling yall you can stop these backs(and no you dont have to be in goal line to do it) but yall are just ignoring that and comparing him Earl Campbell blasting you in this game with real world stuff.

You are not playing in the real world. You are in 2K land were Earl Campbell is a dangerous RB with a wallet that says "bad azz mutherF*****" in his back pocket. You have been provided the tools to stop him. You can choose to cry and wish the game was different which none of us can do anything about at the moment or learn what you have to do to stop him, because you CAN stop him.

Yes, the game needs tweaking and yes I will even concede to you they need to fix the fronts and the random gap blitzes and get the LB's shading however yall want them to.

Also that video with Randall throwing the ball means nothing. In a game situation him being able to do that will net him NOTHING. Even against a novice, just picked up 2k and never played it before guy could defend someone trying to do that in this game.

I started using the 46 based on Rex Ryan book. I having fun have a run stopping strong safety and gold linebackers stopping gold rbs. Yup, I have to mess with the fronts but I am getting good results.

I am using three safeties in my nickel defense. Just having a good time experimenting with different players and styles. I am working on the 3-3 formation. Good stuff.

[TombSong]

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I started using the 46 based on Rex Ryan book. I having fun have a run stopping strong safety and gold linebackers stopping gold rbs. Yup, I have to mess with the fronts but I am getting good results.

I am using three safeties in my nickel defense. Just having a good time experimenting with different players and styles. I am working on the 3-3 formation. Good stuff.

A tip to the troubled. The 46 D is good against toss/sweep type runs due to the very nature of the alignment. ITS WIDE( go look at it) The 4-4 defense strong suit is stopping plays between the offense tackles. The 4-3 is also. The 4-3 can also be useful against Sweeps but only in one direction (left or right) and that depends on how and which direction you have your LB's lined up and how which direction you have your Dline stunting..

I aint giving out anymore tips because by now you guys should have learned all this from trial and error and lots of practice. LOL

[grunt]

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A tip to the troubled. The 46 D is good against toss/sweep type runs due to the very nature of the alignment. ITS WIDE( go look at it) The 4-4 defense strong suit is stopping plays between the offense tackles. The 4-3 is also. The 4-3 can also be useful against Sweeps but only in one direction (left or right) and that depends on how and which direction you have your LB's lined up and how which direction you have your Dline stunting..

I aint giving out anymore tips because by now you guys should have learned all this from trial and error and lots of practice. LOL

Practice? What practice? I feel like AI.

[burnwood]

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I think people get caught up in the realism of the game and forget exactly that, that it's just a game. Have fun!!!!!

Maybe you're right. I should pick nickel, goal line, and 4-3 fronts when the situation shouldn't call for it. Heck, why does 2K even give me the option to choose formations and plays. Why not just have a defense button on the play screen and just call it a day. It's more fun that way.

Don't back down now from your stance. Stand up and take it like a man...er.. Earl Campbell.

[burnwood]

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I aint giving out anymore tips because by now you guys should have learned all this from trial and error and lots of practice. LOL

Tips? Who asked for tips? Is this thread about tips??

Are you....never mind.

[grunt]

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Maybe you're right. I should pick nickel, goal line, and 4-3 fronts when the situation shouldn't call for it. Heck, why does 2K even give me the option to choose formations and plays. Why not just have a defense button on the play screen and just call it a day. It's more fun that way.

Don't back down now from your stance. Stand up and take it like a man...er.. Earl Campbell.

I call 4-3, 4-4, etc and get realistic results.

[spankdatazz22]

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2) From my perspective there is a discrepancy between the offensive and defensive legends. You mention Earl being a Wrecking machine. OK so then why can’t Tatum be the Assassin that he really was. Let me say more about that. While Earl was a wrecking machine, there was nothing nice about Jack Tatum. Tatum was a and I hate to say it this way, he was a career ender and involved in the most violent hits in the history of the game. For anyone that had the chance to see it, you will never forget what Tatum did to Daryl Stingley But Stingley was not the only one to suffer the wrath of the Assassin. He destroyed Frenchy Fuqua and Sammy White. Tatum made people hang it up, sometimes from their own choice and at other times unfortunately Tatum vs Earl on the goal line. Tatum did not get ran over, he actually got the best of the hit. Earl just happened to stumble into the endzone.

Where are all of these violent hits in All Pro 2k8? I haven’t seen them as there are rarely any injuries in the game at all. Again this has been a part of the discussion all along. How are you going to allow Earl, Jerry, Barry, Joe and Dan to be themselves but the defenders not be themselves? I haven’t seen a violent hit and injury delivered by Tatum. And it’s not just Tatum, who can forget Night Train Lane’s hit on I forget the HB’s name. Train basically ended it for him. Chuck Bednarick’s violent hit on Frank Gifford. Not only did Gifford sit out the rest of the 1960 season but he sat out the 1961 season too due to head injury and it was from the hit of Bednarik. But I do not see that type of stuff in the game which leads me to the conclusion of a discrepancy in power and effectiveness between the Offensive and defensive legends.

I agree that there's a discrepancy, I just don't think it's as huge as some make it out to be. You'll forget more football than I'll likely ever know, but regarding Tatum... each of the players you noted that felt Tatum's wrath also wasn't looking. When Tatum caught Campbell at the goalline, he hit him with everything he had - and still didn't make the tackle or stop Campbell from continuing forward (although Campbell was clearly dazed/injured by the hit). But if you gave me Campbell versus Tatum one on one, I'm pretty sure Campbell would win out on most of those. Look at Walter Payton over his career - how many times was he brought down one-on-one? He was also famous for trying to punish defensive players with forearms. We could go back and forth all day. Again, I'd like to see the defensive players tweaked some because offenses have a bit too much of an advantage, but I don't think the game is completely out of whack.

The game isn't perfect. I also agree w/you about the hits; I think the hits in the game are more vicious than in 2K5 but they could've went perhaps a step further. And the game would definitely benefit from a more pronounced low-tackle option, where the defender can take out a offensive players legs. This is something I also agree with you that Madden does relatively well, though overly-simplistic - unfortunately for that game the players seem to have no weight. If I had to choose between the two, I'd take 2K's flawed system versus Madden/NCAA's flawed system 9 times out of 10.

[TheShizNo1]

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Maybe you're right. I should pick nickel, goal line, and 4-3 fronts when the situation shouldn't call for it. Heck, why does 2K even give me the option to choose formations and plays. Why not just have a defense button on the play screen and just call it a day. It's more fun that way.

Don't back down now from your stance. Stand up and take it like a man...er.. Earl Campbell.

uh huh......it's a video game.....Do i think its "arcadey?" No. But if it was, it's still a video game. That's where it starts, that's were it ends.

[kcxiv]

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But there are things that we constantly talked about being unrealistic in those games slipping in and that's what I think a great deal of guys are not satisfied with.

of course there is things i am not happy with about 2k8. From 2k5 now 3 years later to 2k8 Alot of the crap did get fixed. Its not perfect and it will never be perfect but its alot closer to any other game that has ever been made imo.

They did fix the corner routes. They fixed the Dline glitching, they tightened up the Defensive AI a little bit. It needs a little bit more tweaking no doubt (out routes anyone)

If they would have constantly worked on this game from 2k5 to 2k8 we would be playing an even better game. If it had the NFL license i am sorry about EA would look like more fools then they already do to the knowledgeable gamer.

Casual gamers are like sheep. I dont think anyone denies that, but you know the EA dev's after getting their big pay checks have to think to themselves even a little bit, wow, We just cant compete with 2k sports. People even say the Madden graphics look better. I call bull**** on that as well. I downloaded the demo, and unless the game changes from the demo to the released game, the graphics look like crap. From the player models, to the side lines to the stands.


I am a 2k fan, but i know they need to fix more things, but imo they do get a pass because they made this game one of the most enjoyable video games i have ever played. I am almost at about 300 games played online. I dont think i ever did that in 2k5. I seriously get addicted when i go online. I end up playing until 2-3am alot of the nights. I end up dragging *** the next day.

[P2K]

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Uh oh...here we go.

[TombSong]

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Tips? Who asked for tips? Is this thread about tips??

Are you....never mind.

I am giving tips to try and help. If you want to complain for the rest of this thread then you do that.