Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

[catcatch22]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

The quarterbacks have too much speed? What game are you playing? Just about every quarterback is way too slow in this game.

Its so much easier to drop back in this game 15 yards without even turning and sprinting this year than in previous years, allowing certain QB's to throw off their backfoot with incredible accuracy. I wouldn't mind the speed if they put the ball down and were moving, but this is also when they are scanning the field.

[dunelly]

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you can stack 10 defensive defenders, and have 1 earl on offense.
I will always gameplan for earl more than the 10 defenders.
I think that says everything about this game.

[LBzrule]

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you can stack 10 defensive defenders, and have 1 earl on offense.
I will always gameplan for earl more than the 10 defenders.

LOL

[TombSong]

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Now you got a problem because when you put the top defenders in history in the game against the top offensive players then how do players be what they were? You can’t be a shut down CB when you have to play against the best WR in history. You can’t be an all world WR when you have to face the best CB’s in history. So how can you be a wrecking machine when you have to face the best linebackers, Dlinemen and other hit men that the history of the NFL has to offer? You can’t. The only way you can be that way is to mitigate what those defenders were.

This IS what I have been saying So how can anyone say what Earl Would have done against ANYbody in any era ? Its all subjective and speculation.

2) From my perspective there is a discrepancy between the offensive and defensive legends. You mention Earl being a Wrecking machine. OK so then why can’t Tatum be the Assassin that he really was. Let me say more about that. While Earl was a wrecking machine, there was nothing nice about Jack Tatum. Tatum was a and I hate to say it this way, he was a career ender and involved in the most violent hits in the history of the game. For anyone that had the chance to see it, you will never forget what Tatum did to Daryl Stingley But Stingley was not the only one to suffer the wrath of the Assassin. He destroyed Frenchy Fuqua and Sammy White. Tatum made people hang it up, sometimes from their own choice and at other times unfortunately Tatum vs Earl on the goal line. Tatum did not get ran over, he actually got the best of the hit. Earl just happened to stumble into the endzone.

How many HBs in this game have you seen tatum go one on one with and what were the average results ? How many times did he do it in real life ? You mentioned that one time, earl won it, dont matter how he won it, he won it. If they met 10 more times just like that how could ANYONE predict the outcome ?

The general consensus would be tatum would destroy a average back and be hell to great backs but how much hell to great backs would he actually be...no one knows. You line them up in this game run the play and see what happens.

thats why I said in another thread this all needs to be tracked, the numbers and not just from ONE game. Many games and see what it averages out to. If then the numbers are unreasonable then yeah, tweak that player but until then its all speculation. Some of us are seeing results from our players and some are not.

[catcatch22]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

you can stack 10 defensive defenders, and have 1 earl on offense.
I will always gameplan for earl more than the 10 defenders.
I think that says everything about this game.

Thank you, that post says it all.

[TombSong]

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you can stack 10 defensive defenders, and have 1 earl on offense.
I will always gameplan for earl more than the 10 defenders.
I think that says everything about this game.

Could this be because Earl is that good or most people dont play good defense ?
You can have a team full of earls, but under the control of a scrub user, Earl aint doing much. Same goes for the defense.

[catcatch22]

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This IS what I have been saying So how can anyone say what Earl Would have done against ANYbody in any era ? Its all subjective and speculation.



How many HBs in this game have you seen tatum go one on one with and what were the average results ? How many times did he do it in real life ? You mentioned that one time, earl won it, dont matter how he won it, he won it. If they met 10 more times just like that how could ANYONE predict the outcome ?

The general consensus would be tatum would destroy a average back and be hell to great backs but how much hell to great backs would he actually be...no one knows. You line them up in this game run the play and see what happens.

thats why I said in another thread this all needs to be tracked, the numbers and not just from ONE game. Many games and see what it averages out to. If then the numbers are unreasonable then yeah, tweak that player but until then its all speculation. Some of us are seeing results from our players and some are not.

See the problem is that people don't realize how much defense trumps offense.

Example - in baseball if you win 30% of the time you are a legend 40% of the time and you are not just a legend but an immortal.

Same is with football and other sports. How many times did Earl or any great back carry the ball and then surmize how many times he was tackled compared to how many he broke. The ratio would probably be 30% or less. However in this game and many other sports games the great offensive player marginalizes the great pitcher or defenseman or defensive football player in favor of the offense. So in this game and many others instead of that 30% success rate a gold back gets a 60% success rate. I just want that rate for the top backs to fall in line with realism.

[LBzrule]

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This IS what I have been saying So how can anyone say what Earl Would have done against ANYbody in any era ? Its all subjective and speculation.



How many HBs in this game have you seen tatum go one on one with and what were the average results ? How many times did he do it in real life ? You mentioned that one time, earl won it, dont matter how he won it, he won it. If they met 10 more times just like that how could ANYONE predict the outcome ?

The general consensus would be tatum would destroy a average back and be hell to great backs but how much hell to great backs would he actually be...no one knows. You line them up in this game run the play and see what happens.

thats why I said in another thread this all needs to be tracked, the numbers and not just from ONE game. Many games and see what it averages out to. If then the numbers are unreasonable then yeah, tweak that player but until then its all speculation. Some of us are seeing results from our players and some are not.

I'm going to stick to my argument about the physics of the game which stem from 2k4. Tatum aint gonna ever win that battle. Even if he does make the tackle he will be falling backwards and still give the HB 3 yards. You say Earl won it in real life but what does that mean in the terms we are using here? I simply said Earl got the TD. But in the terms we are using here, we are talking about people getting ran slap over, which did not happen in real life BUT that DOES happen here and too often. There is a huge difference between getting the sh@t knocked out of you and stumbling into an endzone vs you hitting that same guy and running him slap over as if he was a cruiser weight and you were a super heavy weight.

Secondly, if it is all simply subjective and projection then you shouldn't have a problem with people saying Earl is overpowered, after all it's subjective. But you do have a problem with that claim, which is why your responses tend to side on the other side. So that tells me you do not believe it is as subjective as you say.

[TombSong]

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Secondly, if it is all simply subjective and projection then you shouldn't have a problem with people saying Earl is overpowered, after all it's subjective. But you do have a problem with that claim, which is why your responses tend to side on the other side. So that tells me you do not believe it is as subjective as you say.

NO, I dont doubt people are seeing Earl breaking alot of tackles. I see it too. What you all are ignoring is what I am saying. It can be stopped. Yall are ignoring it because yall keep comparing his breaking tackels to REAL life. I have said you cant put a video game exactly on the same level as real life. Reasonably they will be close and when dealing with legend players even that will be subjective.

My problem with some peoples arguments is that they present this porblem like Earl is this unstoppable abomination in this game and he is NOT.

[catcatch22]

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See the problem is that people don't realize how much defense trumps offense.

Example - in baseball if you win 30% of the time you are a legend 40% of the time and you are not just a legend but an immortal.

Same is with football and other sports. How many times did Earl or any great back carry the ball and then surmize how many times he was tackled compared to how many he broke. The ratio would probably be 30% or less. However in this game and many other sports games the great offensive player marginalizes the great pitcher or defenseman or defensive football player in favor of the offense. So in this game and many others instead of that 30% success rate a gold back gets a 60% success rate. I just want that rate for the top backs to fall in line with realism.

To exbound on what I said some more.... I understand why developers make the offense stronger than the Defense in all of those games especially this one. We want accurate results in a 20 minute game where if the game were 60 minutes, there would be no way in hell you can get that accuracy since the score would be so high. Why cause the offense to trump the defense in this game as well as others. Reason being nobody really wants to spend an 1 hour to 2 hours playing one game of football. Offense is adjusted to compensate that and allow us accurate results as in 33% less time.

[TombSong]

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Here in lies the test..



LB I am gonna play you and I am gonna have Earl Campbell on my team and I am gonna run for 300 yards on you, there aint nothing you can do about it man, in Fact I aint gonna even throw the ball, its gonna be earl right earl left and earl up the middle.

What you got to say man.....huh huh,

In fact I am gonna run for 400 yards on you with Earl campbell, because you cant stop him.

[TheShizNo1]

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If you guys really do this, will you post the results?

[LBzrule]

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NO, I dont doubt people are seeing Earl breaking alot of tackles. I see it too. What you all are ignoring is what I am saying. It can be stopped. Yall are ignoring it because yall keep comparing his breaking tackels to REAL life. I have said you cant put a video game exactly on the same level as real life. Reasonably they will be close and when dealing with legend players even that will be subjective.

My problem with some peoples arguments is that they present this porblem like Earl is this unstoppable abomination in this game and he is NOT.

I haven't denied that things can be contained. And secondly, if we cannot put video games on the level of real life, is that not what is happening when there is a justification for Earl in the game? that he is close to his real life self? You are right though Earl can be contained and I don't think people have a problem with that. I think most people have a problem with certain situations that just does not seem to make sense and Earl just happens to be the HB that is always in the picture. Another problem is the physics in those same situations where the offensive guy does not have to work for a damn thing and it is basically given to him.

[LBzrule]

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Here in lies the test..



LB I am gonna play you and I am gonna have Earl Campbell on my team and I am gonna run for 300 yards on you, there aint nothing you can do about it man, in Fact I aint gonna even throw the ball, its gonna be earl right earl left and earl up the middle.

What you got to say man.....huh huh,

In fact I am gonna run for 400 yards on you with Earl campbell, because you cant stop him.

[TombSong]

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LOL, come on man, you KNOW you would NOT let me do that to you, and I KNOW you would not...because you know what we both know....YOU CAN stop Earl in this game, LOL