Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

[HotShot232]

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I can present some examples of some defensive problems, but I'm not going to put them out there like that I'll talk about it but I'm not going to show it cause it's rather ehhh embarrassing IMO.

I agree LB and I know what you talking about. What I respect about you is you don't just come on here and complain. That is the reason why me and you have NEVER got into it. We both have reasonable discussions but never the flat out blind arguments some of the others tend to resort to.

[P2K]

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I can present some examples of some defensive problems, but I'm not going to put them out there like that I'll talk about it but I'm not going to show it cause it's rather ehhh embarrassing IMO.

You just don't want your home invaded with a big ol' "2K IZ DA SHIZzzz!!!" spraypainted on your wall

[bigfnjoe96]

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You just don't want your home invaded with a big ol' "2K IZ DA SHIZzzz!!!" spraypainted on your wall

[spankdatazz22]

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WWharton, how many QBs have you seen throw off their backfoot for 80 yards? It doesn't matter if there's a cornerback there or not. The ball velocity isn't going to change. Maybe it isn't extreme enough. Run backwards with cunningham another 15 yards and results remain the same. CHeesers just drop back 20 yards without reading coverage, and launch a bomb to maynard. This game doesn't punish them. No, this game gives them a chance to catch it everytime. THat's an 80 yard lob. YOu can do the same thing with 40-50 yarders and just watch the DB do something stupid.

People don't understand one thing. Sure you CAN STOP certain things. That doesn't make it legit to have in the game. Sure you can stop earl if you hit him in the backfield. But why should you have to worry about him breaking 3-4 tackles every play. You shouldn't have to worry about certain things in this game, but you do. YOu shouldn't have to worry about the DBs running and turning their backs. You shouldn't have to worry about certain things.

Honestly how often do you have to worry about this stuff? I've played maybe 25-30 online games, and have only had one truly bad experience. And that was an idiot that had Earl Campbell and chose to run him off tackle hurry up all game. And he literally was an idiot; a trash talking kid that thought it's fun running Earl off-tackle on 6-8 consecutive plays. I let the CPU call defense and he never broke a long run. I could see if half the people online were using these tactics to take advantage of the programming, but it appears that isn't the case. While the points you seem to be trying to make have some merit, you make the constant mistake of overstating much of it. "Earl Campbell breaks 3-4 tackles every play. Cunningham can throw the ball 80yds and complete it to Rice or Maynard off his back foot every time." Personally I find the juke system near useless and needs to be overhauled - felt that way about 2K5, so it's a big disappointment that it wasn't in APF. But that doesn't stop me from feeling this game still plays better than anything before it. For me to continually harp on areas where the game came up short without acknowledging the overwhelming success they had in most other gameplay areas is unfair to the effort VC made.

Most of us agree that the game could stand to be tweaked - what game couldn't? But to try to make it as if the game has "no defense" is ridiculous. We're two months removed from the release of the game, and there have been no major gameplay experience-altering issues that I know of which should be looked at as a huge accomplishment imo. Hopefully VC will tweak the game to make it play even better.

[Chitown1211]

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The game is arcadey because of a throw 1% of the QB's in this game can make? In a total practice situation at that?

I can darn near make that same throw with Rex Grossman in another football game I know.

For every 1 video showing a flaw in the realism of this game I could post 10 vids of something the complete opposite.


I would have labeled this thread " an aradey play". How can the entire game be labeled arcadey from that one vid?

[Disasterpiece]

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This thread is a stupid waste of space. Talking about something this insignificant makes no sense. Let's talk about how the game needs to be patched so I can hike the ball after I call an audible. Not whether Randall could throw it 73 yards or 83 yards in an animation with no defenders. The APF section becomes more and more disappointing every day.

[spankdatazz22]

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This thread is a stupid waste of space. Talking about something this insignificant makes no sense. Let's talk about how the game needs to be patched so I can hike the ball after I call an audible. Not whether Randall could throw it 73 yards or 83 yards in an animation with no defenders. The APF section becomes more and more disappointing every day.

Don't look half a page down to the NBA2K8 forum and see almost as many people complaining about commentary than about gameplay. This is what "hardcore gamers" have become.

[dunelly]

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I guess the majority here dont play cheesers who do this every down. If you play offline or friends only, you won't see what I'm talking about.

[LBzrule]

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The game is arcadey because of a throw 1% of the QB's in this game can make? In a total practice situation at that?

I can darn near make that same throw with Rex Grossman in another football game I know.

For every 1 video showing a flaw in the realism of this game I could post 10 vids of something the complete opposite.


I would have labeled this thread " an aradey play". How can the entire game be labeled arcadey from that one vid?

I promise you you can't make it in that other game. Not against someone that knows how to nano. You will not get a chance to run back

[spankdatazz22]

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I guess the majority here dont play cheesers who do this every down. If you play offline or friends only, you won't see what I'm talking about.

Again, my experience says that isn't true. The majority of games I've played have been from challenges I've gotten in the lobbies. I choose to play based on their rating. As I said, my record is pretty bad (imo) - something like 8-17, ranked around 4000. But I get plenty of challenges from top 1000 guys. While the rating system isn't foolproof, it's not worthless either. If you choose to play any and all comers regardless of their player rating that's on you.

[catcatch22]

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The way the quarterbacks are now much more Madden like. There is a just too much speed the QB's have when moving back there. Also Cunningham was not accurate at all. Alot of people don't remember how great a deep ball catcher Fred Barnett was. MAN! was he good at grabbing Cunninghams deep balls.

In a playoff game between the Saints and the Eagles in the Superdome on CBS (NFC first round Wildcard game, back when CBS had the NFC coverage). Cunningham and Barnett also hooked up on a deep bomb to help win the game and finally get the Eagles a playoff win. When you look at his bombs, there not pinpoint. They just have enough loft for guys like Moss and Barnett who are great at getting them. My beef is with the accuracy. Quarterbacks are a little to accurate.

On another note, the most shocking bomb I remember as a Giants fan was the Kerry Collins flea flicker bomb on his back foot to Amani Toomer for a touchdown against the Rams in St. Louis. He literally was on his backfoot falling back and just threw the ball 60 yards to Toomer for the touch. After that play everyone would comment that "Kerry throws a good deep ball" never heard this discription of him before that play.

[dunelly]

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that's always been a problem with the game. QB accuracy, people complained about lobs in 2k5 and blamed it on DB AI. It was more about how pinpoint all the qbs were, rather than the DB. Hence why kyle boller was an A+ qb in the game with his speed and pinpoint accuracy to todd heap. Lbz can tell you how mr boller is in real life.

[DA_Kenny]

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play against this type of player + jerry rice online.
dont forget earl! QB is way too accurate and strong running backwards in this game.

Steve young cant do that, i tried it.

Only Randal i think can do that.

[DA_Kenny]

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or better yet take Steve Grogan and try to make this pass. I still struggle in the pasing game because I don't set my feet.

I have Grogan and he can't even do a 40 yarder with that roll out.

[grunt]

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Yeah but don't forget he had a good Oline too which you do not have to have in this game to get him to do what he do baby

but name his wrs and qb. He had a good line but he was the team. He carried 370 times during 1980 season. He was facing 8 men fronts all the time.