Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

[xrams]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

It's very suspect if you're point is that people with any QB and Rice can do it but you can't even make a video of it with defense on the field.

As mentioned, you might as well stop playing video games if you're looking for the perfect one, but if you're trying to tell me that sending an OLB in his face and dropping a safety back in coverage for double team help, that pass would be completed (which it wasn't even in your example) then prove it.

I'm not defending anything... don't think others are either. I could make a vid of me making a PB&J sandwich that would be just as valid as the one you just posted. All you proved was that in practice mode (on what level was that?) with no defense, using max passing, you can make Randall overthrow a WR who's 70 yds downfield.

Is the problem that they made him overthrow him b/c he went off his back foot or that he can throw it that far? We don't know... lots of things we don't know b/c you removed them from the equation for this bad example.

common sense....?!?!? how novel....

PS... Randall C.. had a major arm if you seen him back in the day... also Earl Campbell ran over folks on a constant/regular basis... the main NFL replay w/Earl was him charging through the Rams secondary while defenders were ripping of pieces of his jersey....

[LBzrule]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Hmmmm, the greatest power runner in the last 30 years.

Yeah but don't forget he had a good Oline too which you do not have to have in this game to get him to do what he do baby

[dunelly]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

its not my video its someone's video uploaded to youtube

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

its not my video its someone's video uploaded to youtube

dunelly we got into a discussion about the defense a week ago. You just seem to be trying to find as many people to jump on your bandwagon of hate for 2k. The problem is you are WRONG and people see it.

Is the game 110% perfect simulation???????? NO
As a whole does the game play very good football??????? YES
Is the O-line a tad bit over powered?????????YES
Am I tired of hearing your complaining?????? YES
Will you stop???????? NO

See the reason I am tired is because like the last discussion. You have very WEAK statments and backing of your post. I have seen that throw complete VERY FEW TIMES!!! Is it the fact he threw it that far???? Well my bad 2k made that mistake.

On a whole the game is a great example of football and has perfect pacing.

PLEASE stop the complaining. This is not the 2K forums.

[slthree]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

common sense....?!?!? how novel....

PS... Randall C.. had a major arm if you seen him back in the day... also Earl Campbell ran over folks on a constant/regular basis... the main NFL replay w/Earl was him charging through the Rams secondary while defenders were ripping of pieces of his jersey....

Don't forget what he did to the "Steel Curtain" on MNF when the Oilers were 5-2 and all the analysts said he could not run against the Steelers. He had 89 bruising yards that night, most of which were AFTER the first hit.

The Steelers defenders, to a man, said they never wanted to face him again.

He's sure dropped a lot of passes for me in APF. And, throwing to the back is necessary to win.

[dunelly]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

how is it a weak arguement
how many qbs do you know who can launch it 80 yards off his backfoot?
what middle linebacker stays motionless to get block by the center?


MY "HATE" of 2k? I don't hate anything but soft defense. I would rather be vocal rather than just defend the game's flaws like it doesn't exist.
You're right, this isn't the 2k forums, if you want to defend the game like its holy go there.
I'm pointing out issues with the game so developers can pay some attention rather than giving me the same problems that has been killing the games for years.
I don't HATE anything. Dont put words in my mouth.
What is your "strong" arguements besides calling me out and stating opinions without backing it up. In other threads, you've called people out to play you because you think we do not know how to play defense. Ask tombsong or LBZrules about their experiences with me. How am I WRONG about anything I posted? If you're so tired of my complaints then don't read my threads/posts and go to the 2k forums where u can bash madden and defend the game.

[wwharton]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

its not my video its someone's video uploaded to youtube

it doesn't matter if you made the video or not. you started the thread and claimed this video is the reason the game is arcadey. you basically claimed it as your own by using it as your only evidence to back your opinion. but it's as valid as a video of britney spears. it's got a qb with a rocket arm (even though it could be any qb) overthrowing the greatest wr on the planet (even though it could be completed) in practice mode (even though we have no idea what level) with no defense (even though having corners and safeties around the wr and a rush on the qb may not make a difference).

That's basically what you're saying. I'll give all your arguments a chance but so far they're all coming up pretty short.

[wwharton]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

how is it a weak arguement
how many qbs do you know who can launch it 80 yards off his backfoot?
what middle linebacker stays motionless to get block by the center?


MY "HATE" of 2k? I don't hate anything but soft defense. I would rather be vocal rather than just defend the game's flaws like it doesn't exist.
You're right, this isn't the 2k forums, if you want to defend the game like its holy go there.
I'm pointing out issues with the game so developers can pay some attention rather than giving me the same problems that has been killing the games for years.
I don't HATE anything. Dont put words in my mouth.
What is your "strong" arguements besides calling me out and stating opinions without backing it up?

if this is true then you should explain how that video can help the developers fix anything. it lets them know that cunningham should throw about 10 yards shorter when the pass is maxed out and he's not set when throwing? i'd hope they worked on more general problems. sounds like you would too but you need to present some stronger examples if that's your goal.

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

how is it a weak arguement
how many qbs do you know who can launch it 80 yards off his backfoot?
what middle linebacker stays motionless to get block by the center?


MY "HATE" of 2k? I don't hate anything but soft defense. I would rather be vocal rather than just defend the game's flaws like it doesn't exist.
You're right, this isn't the 2k forums, if you want to defend the game like its holy go there.
I'm pointing out issues with the game so developers can pay some attention rather than giving me the same problems that has been killing the games for years.
I don't HATE anything. Dont put words in my mouth.
What is your "strong" arguements besides calling me out and stating opinions without backing it up. In other threads, you've called people out to play you because you think we do not know how to play defense. If you're so tired of my complaints then don't read my threads/posts and go to the 2k forums where u can bash madden and defend the game.

"THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THIS GAME IS ARCADEY"
You honestly don't see how off based that comment is?

This is the closest of the football titles to realism and does a fine job 99% of the time ON THE FIELD. So yes it is a WEAK backing

Bash madden??? I am enjoying madden in my single player experience. Tad to much turnovers But I am enjoying it OFFLINE.

Do I see what you are saying?????? YES
Is YOUR comment overdone as well????? Yes

[dunelly]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

WWharton, how many QBs have you seen throw off their backfoot for 80 yards? It doesn't matter if there's a cornerback there or not. The ball velocity isn't going to change. Maybe it isn't extreme enough. Run backwards with cunningham another 15 yards and results remain the same. CHeesers just drop back 20 yards without reading coverage, and launch a bomb to maynard. This game doesn't punish them. No, this game gives them a chance to catch it everytime. THat's an 80 yard lob. YOu can do the same thing with 40-50 yarders and just watch the DB do something stupid.

People don't understand one thing. Sure you CAN STOP certain things. That doesn't make it legit to have in the game. Sure you can stop earl if you hit him in the backfield. But why should you have to worry about him breaking 3-4 tackles every play. You shouldn't have to worry about certain things in this game, but you do. YOu shouldn't have to worry about the DBs running and turning their backs. You shouldn't have to worry about certain things.

[HotShot232]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

WWharton, how many QBs have you seen throw off their backfoot for 80 yards? It doesn't matter if there's a cornerback there or not. The ball velocity isn't going to change. Maybe it isn't extreme enough. Run backwards with cunningham another 15 yards and results remain the same. CHeesers just drop back 20 yards without reading coverage, and launch a bomb to maynard. This game doesn't punish them. No, this game gives them a chance to catch it everytime. THat's an 80 yard lob. YOu can do the same thing with 40-50 yarders and just watch the DB do something stupid.

Gold corners will run step for step with that all day and pick it 4 out of 10 times at least

Oh I just realize something you must not switch to your to your corners cause they would not "Do something stupid" If you were controlling them once ball was in the air. I take control of the corners or where ever the ball is headed every pass down

[dunelly]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Doesn't matter if I switch to them. I do switch, only to press Y and get certain animations to give themselves up in the play. How about corners who turn their backs in cover3 as the WR is running a streak. THere's no way I can stop that.

[101]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Yeah but don't forget he had a good Oline too which you do not have to have in this game to get him to do what he do baby

If only 2K had of made a stronger push to get Riggins in the game. I would have showed you all the true meaning of power

[LBzrule]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

if this is true then you should explain how that video can help the developers fix anything. it lets them know that cunningham should throw about 10 yards shorter when the pass is maxed out and he's not set when throwing? i'd hope they worked on more general problems. sounds like you would too but you need to present some stronger examples if that's your goal.

I can present some examples of some defensive problems, but I'm not going to put them out there like that I'll talk about it but I'm not going to show it cause it's rather ehhh embarrassing IMO.

[slthree]

Re: Biggest reason why this game is arcadey

Gold corners will run step for step with that all day and pick it 4 out of 10 times at least

Oh I just realize something you must not switch to your to your corners cause they would not "Do something stupid" If you were controlling them once ball was in the air. I take control of the corners or where ever the ball is headed every pass down

Also, when I face Cunningham I expect this stretch, play action garbage and it is greeted with a sack most of the time.