Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

[PrettyT11]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Are people seriously ignoring the fact Warner was benched for the first overall pick in the draft, who became a future Super Bowl winning QB. The Giants solely brought him in to mentor Manning, which speaks as much for his HOF worthiness as anything else does.

Eli won a super bowl three years after he warner was put on the bench. Plus Eli was on a running team with a great defense. Plus they was no wear near thought of as a super bowl team. Lets not make it look like Eli was taking the NFL by storm when he came in for Warner. Chris Chandler was there to mentor Vick. Nobody thinks of him as a Hall of Famer. The fact that you was brought in as a mentor instead of a starting QB in your 6th year in the league says that you aren't a hall of famer more than it says you are.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

lmao. for one thing, you never asked me that at all. you asked someone else. and if anyone is avoiding things, its you. you dont even quote my whole posts. you just quote one little sentence here and there and avoid everything else.

And the question is available to anyone who thinks Warner isn't a HOF. Technically, it was posed to you in the post you quoted.

The reason I omitted the Unitas part was because I addressed it three pages ago and it's been debated for the past 30 minutes.

[auburn387]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

And the question is available to anyone who thinks Warner isn't a HOF. Technically, it was posed to you in the post you quoted.

The reason I omitted the Unitas part was because I addressed it three pages ago and it's been debated for the past 30 minutes.

So you think it's a fair comparison? Unitas got benched after like 15 years of dominance at the age of 40. Warner got benched after 4 seasons in the league....so that's a fair comparison? Ok.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

His career numbers only are comparable to the hall of fame QB's of the 50's, 60's, and 70's. That was a different ERA of football. If you put his career numbers next to the Hall of Fame QB's of this era like Montana, Elway, Marino, Moon and others they aren't close. All of those guys beside Aikman and Young have over 40,000 yards and close to if not more than 300 TD's. But even Aikman and Young have over 30,000 yards. Kurt doesn't have 30,000 yards or even 200 TD's. You can't compare QB numbers from the 50's,60's, and 70's to now. If that was the case then Vinny Testaverde would be a Hall of Famer.

1. No one is comparing Warner's numbers to anyone who played in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.

2. It's not wise to use Warner's total numbers considering he has less starts than both Young and Aikman. However, I'm willing to bet that Warner's per game stats are better than Aikman's, Moon's, Kelly's, etc.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

So you think it's a fair comparison? Unitas got benched after like 15 years of dominance at the age of 40. Warner got benched after 4 seasons in the league....so that's a fair comparison? Ok.

Unitas was also cut by the Steelers and played sandlot football at one point.

I'm not comparing Warner to Unitas at all. I'm using the other poster's logic against him.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

1. No one is comparing Warner's numbers to anyone who played in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.

2. It's not wise to use Warner's total numbers considering he has less starts than both Young and Aikman. However, I'm willing to bet that Warner's per game stats are better than Aikman's, Moon's, Kelly's, etc.

You are the one that brought up his career numbers and say they are comparable to the other Hall of Fame QB's. So if we aren't going by the totals then what exactly do you mean by CAREER?? Last I check your career numbers mean you total numbers. So what career numbers are we going by??

Unitas was also cut by the Steelers and played sandlot football at one point.

I'm not comparing Warner to Unitas at all. I'm using the other poster's logic against him.

Damn man again you can't compare those two. Unitas was cut BEFORE he ever got in the league. He was cut BEFORE he ever played a game. Warner was cut after being in the league and was cut by two teams. Do you see the difference?? Again you aren't using my logic against me. I never said anything about him being cut. That was somebody else. I talked about his benching and mediocre play. Nothing else.

But hey if we want to talk about what happened before you got to play in the league. Kurt was cut by the Packers and then went to work bagging groceries. See how foolish that sounds to bring up him being cut the Packers as a rookie?? That happened before he got a chance to play.

So even if we use youe example of Unitas to Warner. Unitas was cut by one team. Warner was cut by three. So your example still doesn't favor Warner.

[DickDalewood]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Yes.

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Agreed.

[Steelerfan2k1]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Kurt Warner is a warrior. The three best statistical performances in the Super Bowl, plus 377 and 3 TDs vs. the #1 defense in the NFL (which had given up 300 yards in total offense once in 18 previous games) and that throw to Fitzgerald with 2:45 to go in the game.

People can debate it if they want, but if I had a vote on the Hall-of-Fame, I would vote for Warner.

[SPTO]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

Despite the outcome of this game I think he gets in. The man had the greatest statistical performance of any QB in SB history.

[fredropro]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I think he is. If they would of won it'd be a no brainer

[EWRMETS]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

It's a weird career arch since he dominant to crappy to dominant. I think people wouldn't have a problem with him if he had his good years all in a row instead of split between mediocre years. Even so, I think he's a hall of famer.

[kcarr]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I think that split between his good years might throw some people off and keep him out his first couple tries. He will get in eventually though

[Hawaii_Stars]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

He'll get in despite the loss.

[The Chef]

Re: Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame?

I didnt think he was a HOF player before today and while Ive warmed up to him some I still dont think he is a HOF worthy QB as of right now, meaning if he retired right now. The biggest thing for me is what happens with Terrell Davis, if he makes it even though he only had 4 monster seasons and nothing else then Warner should but if Davis gets snubbed then I dont think Warner has any business being in there until Davis gets in, imo.

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</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">401</td> <td align="right">598</td> <td align="right">67.1</td> <td align="right">4583</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">5.0</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">2.3</td> <td align="right">79</td> <td align="right">7.7</td> <td align="right">7.1</td> <td align="right">11.4</td> <td align="right">286.4</td> <td align="right">96.9</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">182</td> <td align="right">7.1</td> <td align="right">6.5</td> <td align="right">4.2</td> </tr> </tbody> <tfoot> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">Career</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">110</td> <td align="right">85</td> <td align="right">48-37-0</td> <td align="right">2327</td> <td align="right">3557</td> <td align="right">65.4</td> <td align="right">28591</td> <td align="right">182</td> <td align="right">5.1</td> <td align="right">114</td> <td align="right">3.2</td> <td align="right">85</td> <td align="right">8.0</td> <td align="right">7.1</td> <td align="right">12.3</td> <td align="right">259.9</td> <td align="right">93.8</td> <td align="right">236</td> <td align="right">1497</td> <td align="right">7.1</td> <td align="right">6.3</td> <td align="right">6.2</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="normal_text stat_total"> <td align="left">6 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">STL</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">53</td> <td align="right">50</td> <td align="right">35-15-0</td> <td align="right">1121</td> <td align="right">1688</td> <td align="right">66.4</td> <td align="right">14447</td> <td align="right">102</td> <td align="right">6.0</td> <td align="right">65</td> <td align="right">3.9</td> <td align="right">85</td> <td align="right">8.6</td> <td align="right">7.4</td> <td align="right">12.9</td> <td align="right">272.6</td> <td align="right">97.2</td> <td align="right">114</td> <td align="right">717</td> <td align="right">7.6</td> <td align="right">6.6</td> <td align="right">6.3</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="normal_text stat_total"> <td align="left">4 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">ARI</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">47</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">8-18-0</td> <td align="right">1032</td> <td align="right">1592</td> <td align="right">64.8</td> <td align="right">12090</td> <td align="right">74</td> <td align="right">4.6</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">2.8</td> <td align="right">79</td> <td align="right">7.6</td> <td align="right">6.8</td> <td align="right">11.7</td> <td align="right">257.2</td> <td align="right">91.5</td> <td align="right">83</td> <td align="right">584</td> <td align="right">6.9</td> <td align="right">6.1</td> <td align="right">5.0</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="normal_text stat_total"> <td align="left">1 yr</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">NYG</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">5-4-0</td> <td align="right">174</td> <td align="right">277</td> <td align="right">62.8</td> <td align="right">2054</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2.2</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">1.4</td> <td align="right">62</td> <td align="right">7.4</td> <td align="right">7.0</td> <td align="right">11.8</td> <td align="right">205.4</td> <td align="right">86.5</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">196</td> <td align="right">5.9</td> <td align="right">5.5</td> <td align="right">12.3</td></tr></tfoot></table>