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  • mestevo
    Gooney Goo Goo
    • Apr 2010
    • 19556

    #496
    Re: Official CBA Thread

    Too much money involved for there not to be football, but it will take a couple months to establish leverage via litigation and then they'll get back together.

    Outstanding are 2 very big things:

    - The NFL contends the decertification is a sham (legal term) and that the union has only temporarily decertified with the intention of reconstituting itself once they've gotten their way. There was language in the previous CBA that forbid this... but it said it was forbidden within 6 months of the expiration of the CBA... so the union decertified before it expired. Technicality, but the NFL is challenging this. If they win, they union is once again a labor union and a lot of their leverage is gone.

    - NFL has locked players out so that they don't break they law by operating as normal as they can. With the union decertified, 32 seperate businesses can't operate under a set group of rules for things like free agency. This is what the Brady Lawsuit is contending. The result/settlement of that lawsuit will be the new CBA if the first point doesn't make it irrelevant. There's a hearing Wednesday, not sure what will happen there, but the NFL has a strong case for keeping the lockout (IMO) while the 'sham' is pending, not sure when that's being heard.

    There's also the TV Lockout Insurance case, there's a hearing for that in May. The players have won that case and are asking for damages... and they also have tried to tack on 'lift the lockout' to that ruling too.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #497
      Re: Official CBA Thread

      We will probably have a season but things have been so contentious that I don't think it's going to start as scheduled.
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      • spit_bubble
        MVP
        • Nov 2004
        • 3292

        #498
        Re: Official CBA Thread

        Originally posted by SPTO
        We will probably have a season but things have been so contentious that I don't think it's going to start as scheduled.
        Yeah this has been building up for what? Two years now?

        I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this spill over into the season.
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        • Cardot
          I'm not on InstantFace.
          • Feb 2003
          • 6164

          #499
          Re: Official CBA Thread

          Originally posted by SPTO
          We will probably have a season but things have been so contentious that I don't think it's going to start as scheduled.
          I am certainly no expert in the area. But it seems to me that once things get to this point (where the lines have been drawn in the sand, and emotions entering the equation) the rhetoric is a good show, but it really becomes a game of "Chicken". Who is willing to go longer without the income.

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          • mestevo
            Gooney Goo Goo
            • Apr 2010
            • 19556

            #500
            Re: Official CBA Thread

            Fireworks start tomorrow, PFT has a breakdown of the 10 things to know going into it if you want more information.

            Tomorrow, the first major skirmish in the antitrust lawsuit filed by the players against the NFL occurs in Minnesota.

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            • Hova57
              MVP
              • Mar 2008
              • 3754

              #501
              Re: Official CBA Thread

              Well it begins today hopefully in a week we will find out what she thinks. I hope this gets the ball rolling and we have a contract the week of the draft.

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              • greenegt
                G-Men
                • Feb 2003
                • 4494

                #502
                Re: Official CBA Thread

                I just wish they would continue negotiations. That's how a deal gets done. Days, months, and years have been wasted with all of the posturing.
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                • mestevo
                  Gooney Goo Goo
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 19556

                  #503
                  Re: Official CBA Thread

                  After the judge urged both sides to resume talking as soon as possible while she takes the hearing yesterday under advisement for a decision 'in a couple weeks' the league has sent a letter to the players formally asking them to resume mediation with the federal mediator George Cohen.

                  The players yesterday today said they were sending a letter to the league to formally submit to mediation under the supervision of the federal court sometime today.

                  So little progress, basically. League want's to mediate (though a mediator), players want to mediate (through a litigator).

                  Edit: Oh, the players sent their letter to the judge, not the NFL.
                  Last edited by mestevo; 04-07-2011, 03:25 PM.

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                  • Cardot
                    I'm not on InstantFace.
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6164

                    #504
                    Re: Official CBA Thread

                    Originally posted by mestevo
                    So little progress, basically. League want's to mediate (though a mediator), players want to mediate (through a litigator).
                    And they can't agree on a location either. At this point they are pretty much just jerking each other's chain until some one flinches. And I don't see that happening anytime soon....Not until the loss of revenue is closer.

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                    • mestevo
                      Gooney Goo Goo
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19556

                      #505
                      Re: Official CBA Thread

                      Judge held a conference call with both sides about mediation this morning, and ordered that it remain confidential. No leaks so far. It was just over an hour long.

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                      • N51_rob
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 14805

                        #506
                        Originally posted by mestevo
                        Judge held a conference call with both sides about mediation this morning, and ordered that it remain confidential. No leaks so far. It was just over an hour long.
                        Good call by the judge. All negotiations should be kept out of the press.

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                        • OriolesFanRD
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                          • Jun 2005
                          • 361

                          #507
                          Re: Official CBA Thread

                          Screw the National Fruitcup League. It's not even football anymore, but everyone has on their NFL tinted glasses. Roger Godell is ruining the league and we continue to give these people money. I hope you're locked out for the next two years, Godell! (I know it's not going to happen, but I'm pissed!) Glad the Orioles aren't frauding or it would make me even madder.
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                          • Cubfan
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3929

                            #508
                            Re: Official CBA Thread

                            According to Adam Sheftier the judge is going to order mediation between the PA and the owners
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                            • mestevo
                              Gooney Goo Goo
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 19556

                              #509
                              Re: Official CBA Thread

                              Yup, "early this week".

                              Yay.

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                              • mestevo
                                Gooney Goo Goo
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19556

                                #510
                                Judge has appointed a magistrate because union and owners couldn't agree on a mediator, mediation resumes Thursday after he meets with parties this week.

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