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  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #526
    Re: Official CBA Thread

    Originally posted by mestevo
    'most' owners aren't billionaires, there are a handful, but they are the exception, think I remembe reading at one point Dan Rooney (who only owns a part of the Steelers) is worth $150m and is the least wealthy of the NFL owners.
    Pardon me if I don't break into tears because a majority owner is only worth 150mil.
    You looking at the Chair MAN!

    Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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    • mestevo
      Gooney Goo Goo
      • Apr 2010
      • 19556

      #527
      Re: Official CBA Thread

      Originally posted by da ThRONe
      Pardon me if I don't break into tears because a majority owner is only worth 150mil.
      That's very helpful.

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      • da ThRONe
        Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
        • Mar 2009
        • 8528

        #528
        Re: Official CBA Thread

        Originally posted by mestevo
        That's very helpful.
        About as helpful as your post. The point is the owners are not hurting. The owners(not all but as a collective group) are being greedy. They have no logical reason to ask for a billion off top or turn down the 50-50 deal.
        You looking at the Chair MAN!

        Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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        • mestevo
          Gooney Goo Goo
          • Apr 2010
          • 19556

          #529
          Originally posted by da ThRONe
          About as helpful as your post. The point is the owners are not hurting. The owners(not all but as a collective group) are being greedy. They have no logical reason to ask for a billion off top or turn down the 50-50 deal.
          The point is characterizing most NFL owners as billionaires is inaccurate, but you chosen to mock that rather than contribute to the thread.

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          • mestevo
            Gooney Goo Goo
            • Apr 2010
            • 19556

            #530
            Re: Official CBA Thread

            After meeting for 14 hours over 2 days (most of that yesterday, only a few hours today), mediation is over until Tuesday. PFT says both sides were given homework by the Magistrate Judge.
            Last edited by mestevo; 04-15-2011, 08:43 PM. Reason: Teusday != Tuesday #ocd

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            • skydog71
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 1772

              #531
              Re: Official CBA Thread

              Originally posted by mestevo
              After meeting for 14 hours over 2 days (most of that yesterday, only a few hours today), mediation is over until Tuesday. PFT says both sides were given homework by the Magistrate Judge.
              Hahaha, homework? Well I guess they have to do something in the offseason to stay busy. He might want to go ahead and assign them some summer reading.

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              • ANDROMADA 1
                So long to a Legend.
                • Dec 2008
                • 5024

                #532
                Re: Official CBA Thread

                Originally posted by mestevo
                'most' owners aren't billionaires, there are a handful, but they are the exception, think I remembe reading at one point Dan Rooney (who only owns a part of the Steelers) is worth $150m and is the least wealthy of the NFL owners.
                Most billionaires and multi-millionaires have a cadre of financial consultants, lawyers,lobbyists, that know how to make money disappear legally too. I could own millions in Real Estate(like most NFL owners do) but show zero to very little income. If done properly these owners would never have to pay a dime in taxes on these properties......Why do you think they keep building new ones? Real Estate is a way to obtain massive wealth quickly.

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                • mestevo
                  Gooney Goo Goo
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 19556

                  #533
                  Re: Official CBA Thread

                  From PFT - Mediation not expected to hit paydirt

                  Freeman reports, based on “brief telephone and text message interviews with people familiar with the talks” (at least Albert Breer will have company in jail), that neither side is serious about negotiating because each side believes it will win the first major legal skirmish regarding the question of whether the lockout will involuntarily be lifted.

                  The players presumably think they’ll win before Judge Nelson, and the owners presumably like their chances before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, where 13 of the 16 judges were appointed by Republican administrations, which in a loose red state/blue state sense will make them more inclined to side with the league over the players on the threshold legals issues relating to whether the courts can enjoin a lockout and whether the NFLPA* effectively decertified.

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                  • av7
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 11408

                    #534
                    Re: Official CBA Thread

                    Well after all that, I'm 100% done with this season, regardless if the season does happen. Not going to give the NFL any of my time or money anymore in 2011.
                    Aaron
                    Moderator

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                    • mestevo
                      Gooney Goo Goo
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19556

                      #535
                      Re: Official CBA Thread

                      Apparently they just need to lock them in a room, Smith and Kessler for the NFLPA aren't even participating in mediations today.

                      Last night, word emerged that NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith won't be attending Tuesday's mediation session at federal court in Minnesota. due to a family medical emergency.

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                      • snepp
                        We'll waste him too.
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 10007

                        #536
                        Re: Official CBA Thread

                        Originally posted by mestevo

                        Good.

                        Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

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                        • mestevo
                          Gooney Goo Goo
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 19556

                          #537
                          Re: Official CBA Thread

                          Mike Vrabel is an idiot.
                          ...linebacker Mike Vrabel may have unwittingly given the NFL strong ammunition to support its argument that the decertification of the union wasn’t legitimate, and that the NFLPA* is still behaving as a union.

                          “We’re players here to represent players and De works for us,” Vrabel told Albert Breer of NFL Network. “They do [have a seat]. And if they’re unhappy with that seat, we have to vote in a new executive committee, and a new board of reps.”

                          Oops.

                          What Vrabel is saying is that the NFLPA* is still calling the shots, with De Smith and the executive committee and the player reps speaking on behalf the players. But once the union decertified, that all was supposed to end. The NFL players were supposed to become, as cornerback Antonio Cromartie wisely put it, a group of one-man unions.
                          NFLPA* gets a taste of the downside of decertification | ProFootballTalk

                          Also mentioned in that article, some 'mid-tier' players may try and hire counsel of their own to participate in negotiations since it's believed that if class counsel Kessler got everything he wanted (wont happen) then draft would be gone, free agency would have no restrictions, etc.

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                          • mestevo
                            Gooney Goo Goo
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 19556

                            #538
                            Re: Official CBA Thread

                            Mediation has adjourned for a month... 5/12.



                            Reportedly due to the Magistrate Judge's schedule.

                            Next news we'll probably hear is a ruling and then the appeal of whether or not the lockout will be allowed by Judge Nelson. Vrabel's comments surely have to influence that...

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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #539
                              Re: Official CBA Thread

                              Mike Vrabel

                              “We’re players here to represent players and De works for us,” Vrabel told Albert Breer of NFL Network. “They do [have a seat]. And if they’re unhappy with that seat, we have to vote in a new executive committee, and a new board of reps.”
                              Nice move Sherlock! Sometimes it's wiser to talk in generalities or not talk at all. It certainly DOES appear like they're still acting as a union rather than being a bunch of guys loosely affiliated with each other.

                              That's definitely going to help the owners in court for sure.
                              Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                              "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                              • mestevo
                                Gooney Goo Goo
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19556

                                #540
                                Re: Official CBA Thread

                                Yeah, I wonder if it will affect Judge Susan Nelson's decision on whether or not to grant an injunction and lifting the lockout. This decision is reportedly coming Monday, just 3 days before the draft.

                                I am not sure if there are any appeals that can be exhausted, but if the lockout is lifted then free agency begins I think the next day at midnight, allowing for players like Kolb to be shopped and traded on Draft day just 2 days later.

                                With mediation over for nearly a month, the next labor domino to fall should be a ruling from Judge Susan Nelson on the pending motion to lift the lockout.


                                Of course the irony is that lifting the lockout forces the NFL to violate anti-trust rules as they impose rules for 32 businesses to use when dealing with a non-union labor pool. So the players are just trying to force the NFL to resume business as usual so that they can sue them for doing exactly that.

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