Official CBA Thread

[jbrew2411]

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I love how the players act like they have all the leverage in this thing or any leverage at all. Truth is these guys (the players) need to play the game and get paid. They can't live without football. Football has created a life for these guys that they would not have had without it. If I was an owner I would be all for a lock-out. I would go the baseball route where they used replacement players and just like the NFL did in 1984 (think that was the year). The majority of these guys don't make enough to be able to hold their ground. The players need the owners. While the quality of talent would drop, the owners don't have to have these players. You think guys like Brady, Manning, or any other level headed NFL star is going to say we will just dig in and wait for the owners to come to us? nI case people have forgot players began to cross the line because they needed to play to get paid in past lock-outs. As a fan I side with the owners. I ask anyone, in your job are you so good you could not be replaced? I know in my job I have done some good things but I can be replaced. I'm sure most people can say the same thing and if you say you can't then you must be the owner.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I love how the players act like they have all the leverage in this thing or any leverage at all. Truth is these guys (the players) need to play the game and get paid. They can't live without football. Football has created a life for these guys that they would not have had without it. If I was an owner I would be all for a lock-out. I would go the baseball route where they used replacement players and just like the NFL did in 1984 (think that was the year). The majority of these guys don't make enough to be able to hold their ground. The players need the owners. While the quality of talent would drop, the owners don't have to have these players. You think guys like Brady, Manning, or any other level headed NFL star is going to say we will just dig in and wait for the owners to come to us? nI case people have forgot players began to cross the line because they needed to play to get paid in past lock-outs. As a fan I side with the owners. I ask anyone, in your job are you so good you could not be replaced? I know in my job I have done some good things but I can be replaced. I'm sure most people can say the same thing and if you say you can't then you must be the owner.

If you were an owner what specifically don't you like about the way things are now? You got the nation's most popular and profitable sport. You got the cheapest labor force. You got non-guaranteed contracts. You got the RIDICULOUSLY UNFAIR franchise tag. I'm struggling to find a reason to hate the way things are. These owners are just rubbing me as rich jerks throwing their power around because like you said, they can.

[slickdtc]

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Unfortunately, jbrew is right. The players need the owners more then the other way around. Owners can get replacements, and some players would cross to continue to make a living.

It's just from an ethics standpoint. Do the rich NEED to get richer? No.

It's stuff like this that just turns me off from sports, even though I'm a rabid pro sports fan. It's almost as if they're not even humans. I often say that about celebrities. They're treated so differently and seemingly abide by different laws that they aren't like you or me. And it's a shame for the hard working guys who are average Joe's who worked their butts off to make their money through this game. And seeing how some of these old timers are turning out thanks to the physicality of this game, they need to make as much as they can while they still can. Or at least have a very good health plan for their post-NFL careers. Heck, I'm beat up from playing football for 5 years every weekend throughout middle and high school. Can't imagine these guys health.

[SPTO]

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Things are going down the drain.

[Dog]

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You got to be kidding.

[av7]

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Well atleast I got the Rockies up through September. The 2 sides are so far apart, I dont see them ever budging to get their differences settled in time.

Goodell never has a straight answer which bugs me, even though I know he has to save face for the NFL.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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1. If you got nothing to hide then why not open your books to your labor force?

2. How is 50-50 of countless billions not enough?

[N51_rob]

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I love how the players act like they have all the leverage in this thing or any leverage at all. Truth is these guys (the players) need to play the game and get paid. They can't live without football. Football has created a life for these guys that they would not have had without it. If I was an owner I would be all for a lock-out. I would go the baseball route where they used replacement players and just like the NFL did in 1984 (think that was the year). The majority of these guys don't make enough to be able to hold their ground. The players need the owners. While the quality of talent would drop, the owners don't have to have these players. You think guys like Brady, Manning, or any other level headed NFL star is going to say we will just dig in and wait for the owners to come to us? nI case people have forgot players began to cross the line because they needed to play to get paid in past lock-outs. As a fan I side with the owners. I ask anyone, in your job are you so good you could not be replaced? I know in my job I have done some good things but I can be replaced. I'm sure most people can say the same thing and if you say you can't then you must be the owner.

You specifically mentioned Brady and Manning. Those two are some of the guys that a lockout doesn't hurt one bit. They are wildly wealthy, appear to be smart with their money. They are the exact players that the owners should fear. The NFL is a game to them. They play the glamor positions. If Indy franchises's Manning do you know how much he would be guaranteed? 23 million. QB is the one position where guys can afford a lock-out.

You mention replacement players. Lets again look at the QB position. If you are a Saints, Patriots, Colts fan are you really going to pay an average of $412.64 for a family of 4 to watch JP Lossman play QB for your team? Seriously? I for one would absolutely refuse to watch replacement players play a single down of NFL football. I love the game, but I want to watch the best of the best play not me, Bkrich, Wwharton, JBH and four guys who wandered to tryouts after the bars closed. Sorry.

As for you siding with owners that is your thing, but I can't. Not when they are crying poor, won't open the books, use taxpayer money to fund these mega stadiums then ask me to pay a PSL, so that I can then pay for season tickets. Especially given that in Jerry World the average price for a family of 4 to see Dallas play is $758.58. Or this little doosey of a fact.

When an owner grows tired of a facility and leaves, guess who picks up the tab? New Jersey still owes $110 million on the old Meadowlands home of the New York Giants and Jets, and when both teams moved to their new $1.6 billion, privately financed stadium, they got a huge tax break. According to the Wall Street Journal under their old agreement they paid $20 million a year in tax revenues; now they will pay only about $6 million a year. Know what New Jersey's deficit is? I'll tell you: $36 billion.

That said, I don't blindly beleive that the players are the victims here either. I don't really care if this MeAngelo Hall can afford another Bentley of if Antonio Cromartie can afford to have 9 more kids with 18 more women. I'm an employee so I tend to side with the employees, but I don't feel bad for NFL guys when I hear that 2 years out of the league a large percentage of them are broke. I do though care that when guys who have given up their bodies to entertain me can't get good league sponsored health care.

[BlueNGold]

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This is why I took the glass half-empty approach throughout all of this.

[grunt]

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This is going to get really ugly.

[boom.h]

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The players have the leverage, simply because they ARE the product. They are the sole reason people fill the seats. The NFL is just the brand.

If the NFL locks them out, they can simply be branded "UFL," or "CFL."

[Sportsforever]

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You specifically mentioned Brady and Manning. Those two are some of the guys that a lockout doesn't hurt one bit. They are wildly wealthy, appear to be smart with their money. They are the exact players that the owners should fear. The NFL is a game to them. They play the glamor positions. If Indy franchises's Manning do you know how much he would be guaranteed? 23 million. QB is the one position where guys can afford a lock-out.

You mention replacement players. Lets again look at the QB position. If you are a Saints, Patriots, Colts fan are you really going to pay an average of $412.64 for a family of 4 to watch JP Lossman play QB for your team? Seriously? I for one would absolutely refuse to watch replacement players play a single down of NFL football. I love the game, but I want to watch the best of the best play not me, Bkrich, Wwharton, JBH and four guys who wandered to tryouts after the bars closed. Sorry.

As for you siding with owners that is your thing, but I can't. Not when they are crying poor, won't open the books, use taxpayer money to fund these mega stadiums then ask me to pay a PSL, so that I can then pay for season tickets. Especially given that in Jerry World the average price for a family of 4 to see Dallas play is $758.58. Or this little doosey of a fact.



That said, I don't blindly beleive that the players are the victims here either. I don't really care if this MeAngelo Hall can afford another Bentley of if Antonio Cromartie can afford to have 9 more kids with 18 more women. I'm an employee so I tend to side with the employees, but I don't feel bad for NFL guys when I hear that 2 years out of the league a large percentage of them are broke. I do though care that when guys who have given up their bodies to entertain me can't get good league sponsored health care.

What? You aren't going to pay good money to see BK play ball?

[MrNFL_FanIQ]

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I've said from the start of this season that there won't be football in 2011. It makes me depressed to see that I am almost certainly right.

[Hooe]

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The players have the leverage, simply because they ARE the product. They are the sole reason people fill the seats. The NFL is just the brand.

If the NFL locks them out, they can simply be branded "UFL," or "CFL."

That may be the case now, but that likely will change should they start missing game checks.

That said I'm firmly in the players' corner, and firmly opposed to the 18-game season.

[snepp]

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I'm firmly in the fans corner, I think they can all GFT.