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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I mean, they lost 7 of their last 8?

I meant moreso HOW they lost/are losing.

We both know there’s a difference between losing 7 of your last 8 and the games being competitive til the end and getting your *** whipped and the games are over by the 3rd.

And depending on where you’re at, you can survive the former, but you more than likely will not survive the latter.

And in their case, they were still playoff contention up until the last week all because of their horrible division.

[kehlis]

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I meant moreso HOW they lost/are losing.

We both know there’s a difference between losing 7 of your last 8 and the games being competitive til the end and getting your *** whipped and the games are over by the 3rd.

And depending on where you’re at, you can survive the former, but you more than likely will not survive the latter.

And in their case, they were still playoff contention up until the last week all because of their horrible division.

Agreed 100% and it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment on how they actually played.

I looked at the scores and they don't look pretty but that doesn't necessarily tell the story.

[illwill10]

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I feel like if he lost the team, we would’ve known about that well before last week either thru comments(“My sources are telling me...”)that Schefter or Breer or Rapaport would be reporting or thru their play on the field, which would’ve been vert obvious if they quit on Pederson.

I do believe the report about the fractured relationship with Wentz was real. But every game that Wentz played, he said "I know I have to be better" EVERY GAME lol. I do believe the Hurts selection caused him to force it early on and as he struggled he kept forcing it. That's why I thought Hurts selection was a bad pick. You just gave him an extension and after he lead team to playoffs with practice squad WRs, you draft a QB in the second round. .

I think it was direction of team that did him in rather than him losing the team. I do think he didn't have full control of coaching staff. The structure with having no OC and having 2 senior assistants was flawed. Way too many opposing voices. I believed he was forced to fire the OC from previous year. But if his plan was to promote within, than it doesn't sit well. Pederson was stubborn on keeping play calling. If he promoted within, it would have been status quo.

[illwill10]

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Agreed 100% and it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment on how they actually played.

I looked at the scores and they don't look pretty but that doesn't necessarily tell the story.

As someone who watched those games, it wasn't pretty lol. Our wins came against backup QBs and a dropped catch from Engram.

There was only one "Good" game and that was the Saints game and maybe the Steelers game. We didn't score 30+ points in a game. We only had 4 games with 25+ points. Our defense wasn't "bad", it's just that offense was giving opponents way too many short fields

[TheShizNo1]

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I thought I read Pederson wasn't just straight up fired. Like, he didn't care for the structure when it came to roster management and actually wanted to quit last year? I feel like this was more of a mutual split situation.

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[illwill10]

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I thought I read Pederson wasn't just straight up fired. Like, he didn't care for the structure when it came to roster management and actually wanted to quit last year? I feel like this was more of a mutual split situation.

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I can definitely see it as mutual. If he doesn't have say of who he can hire on his staff, I would be frustrated as well.

Roseman has GM since 2010(besides Chip Kelly days). Lurie has his blinders on with him. If it is a mess, you let both go. Pederson was the fall guy, but needed to be let go

[inkcil]

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I can definitely see it as mutual. If he doesn't have say of who he can hire on his staff, I would be frustrated as well.

Roseman has GM since 2010(besides Chip Kelly days). Lurie has his blinders on with him. If it is a mess, you let both go. Pederson was the fall guy, but needed to be let go

I agree with 99% of your posts but I have to say, Roseman is the weakest link by far (of the 3) and Wentz is a close second.

Both of them had hands on an eventual SB52 winning season, but neither even close to Pederson's influence. Too bad we lost Frank and Nick. But I digress, how many great rosters did we have with Andy Reid and we never won it all. It takes a special kind of magic to make it all work and if you have a coach that can find a way to pull it off, you have to give him 10 years. Unless you miss the playoffs 5 years in a row, you gotta give him more time.

Pederson didn't deserve this, even though I know he made a lot of mistakes. But this was not right.

So now we go into next year with Carson again? And he'll "lose" the plyers on the field again (which is worse than losing the locker room). And a backup will replace him again. And it will spark the team again. I mean, how many times do we have to go through this???

And now we're going to go through it with some new guy walking into a highly dysfunctional QB room, standing on the sideline looking like he forgot his reading glasses while Wentz overthrows wide open receivers and panics when he can't find Ertz. And then Jalen will come in and "save the day" for a hot second with his legs until defenses adjusts to that and then it's "wait till 2022." Meanwhile Roseman is somewhere looking at his reflection in the SB52 trophy thinking he made it happen when it was actually just Nick got hot and Frank was able to mange the QB room and the team found Nick to be a breath of inspirational fresh air (compared to Wentz).

But yeah, let's get rid of (or let walk) Nick, Frank, Doug, etc. and keep Wentz.

This is a mess.

[ggsimmonds]

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I agree with 99% of your posts but I have to say, Roseman is the weakest link by far (of the 3) and Wentz is a close second.

Both of them had hands on an eventual SB52 winning season, but neither even close to Pederson's influence. Too bad we lost Frank and Nick. But I digress, how many great rosters did we have with Andy Reid and we never won it all. It takes a special kind of magic to make it all work and if you have a coach that can find a way to pull it off, you have to give him 10 years. Unless you miss the playoffs 5 years in a row, you gotta give him more time.

Pederson didn't deserve this, even though I know he made a lot of mistakes. But this was not right.

So now we go into next year with Carson again? And he'll "lose" the plyers on the field again (which is worse than losing the locker room). And a backup will replace him again. And it will spark the team again. I mean, how many times do we have to go through this???

And now we're going to go through it with some new guy walking into a highly dysfunctional QB room, standing on the sideline looking like he forgot his reading glasses while Wentz overthrows wide open receivers and panics when he can't find Ertz. And then Jalen will come in and "save the day" for a hot second with his legs until defenses adjusts to that and then it's "wait till 2022." Meanwhile Roseman is somewhere looking at his reflection in the SB52 trophy thinking he made it happen when it was actually just Nick got hot and Frank was able to mange the QB room and the team found Nick to be a breath of inspirational fresh air (compared to Wentz).

But yeah, let's get rid of (or let walk) Nick, Frank, Doug, etc. and keep Wentz.

This is a mess.

As an outsider I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't know what "it" is, or why it is so elusive, or why some seem to have it at some places and other places they don't (e.g. Andy Reid), but winning a SB requires some kind of "it" factor.

Pederson, at least for a time, had "it." I do think he should have been given more time. Coaches you can win a SB with are hard to find.

[illwill10]

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I agree with 99% of your posts but I have to say, Roseman is the weakest link by far (of the 3) and Wentz is a close second.

Both of them had hands on an eventual SB52 winning season, but neither even close to Pederson's influence. Too bad we lost Frank and Nick. But I digress, how many great rosters did we have with Andy Reid and we never won it all. It takes a special kind of magic to make it all work and if you have a coach that can find a way to pull it off, you have to give him 10 years. Unless you miss the playoffs 5 years in a row, you gotta give him more time.

Pederson didn't deserve this, even though I know he made a lot of mistakes. But this was not right.

So now we go into next year with Carson again? And he'll "lose" the plyers on the field again (which is worse than losing the locker room). And a backup will replace him again. And it will spark the team again. I mean, how many times do we have to go through this???

And now we're going to go through it with some new guy walking into a highly dysfunctional QB room, standing on the sideline looking like he forgot his reading glasses while Wentz overthrows wide open receivers and panics when he can't find Ertz. And then Jalen will come in and "save the day" for a hot second with his legs until defenses adjusts to that and then it's "wait till 2022." Meanwhile Roseman is somewhere looking at his reflection in the SB52 trophy thinking he made it happen when it was actually just Nick got hot and Frank was able to mange the QB room and the team found Nick to be a breath of inspirational fresh air (compared to Wentz).

But yeah, let's get rid of (or let walk) Nick, Frank, Doug, etc. and keep Wentz.

This is a mess.

In the presser, Lurie said that Roseman scouts right the players, they just get drafted in front of them lol. That happens to EVERY team. Gave a lot of corporate bs talk and same excuses as Roseman did the last week. He's in Roseman's back pocket. Pederson didn't get control to even hire his own staff


It's a money thing. Lurie did mention Carson and Jalen as an "asset" in his own words. But, they made a huge investment in Carson unfortunately. They did that extension too soon to follow Goff's deal. If the deal happened after he had a 2017-ish season, then I would have been okay with it. But, he got the deal after 2018 where he had a few injured stretches and regressed a little. If he waited and was in a Dak situation, we could have let him go.

[slickdtc]

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5-10 years grace period for a Super Bowl? That’s crazy in this league where players are churned for having a single down year, and with way more financial commitment too. Frankly, way too many people connected to the Eagles are stuck on 2018. We’re still talking about Nick Foles. LOL. Dude can’t even die in Chicago because he can’t beat out one of the bigger busts of the draft in the last 20 years. Being coached by Pederson 2.0 without the ring to deflect blame and protect himself... ask Chicago fans how they feel about Nagy.

It’s been 3 years. This team has not been good in any of them (even with the miraculous endings in 18 & 19 seasons). Illusion of success. And the way the last season went, it absolutely was time. But once again, the team was indecisive waiting over a week and now it looks bad. The decision (either way IMO) is fine, just like getting Sudfeld reps was, but it’s the way they went about it. Speaking of, Sudfeld needing reps looks like the biggest joke now. The last month of Eagles football has been them tripping all over themselves.

A lot of talk came out about Wentz, about Pederson, about their relationship, anonymous sources. I chalked it up to Philly media and a bad season. The talk only mattered because the team was bad. It made everyone look like a punk, honestly. Wentz can’t handle being benched, Pederson couldn’t handle his play calling being rightfully called out, the both of them suck at working together through their shared struggle.

Roseman gets blasted here. If it’s a trio to blame, Roseman never finishes “better” than 2nd. My guess as to Lurie’s thinking is Roseman is the numbers guy and the numbers are ugly. A lot of work to be done. He obviously has a vision that Lurie can see, and Pederson has a delusion to bring back or promote failed coordinators. It may be characterized as a power struggle, but DP ain’t bringing much power to that struggle. Taking the fall over Press Taylor? I guess that’s noble?

The mega issue becomes Wentz. I really don’t think his market is there with the struggles, the talk, and the contract. I’d give up a good bit of the farm for him if I’m Washington or Denver, but if he can be had for free... why not wait? They’re gonna make the Eagles sweat it out and with your QB, it’s hard to play the waiting game. It appears they’re signaling with this move that they want to try again with Wentz, and it’s not the worst idea. But it feels like they’re pulling the Uno reverse card with Hurts being in Wentz spot now — good, young, highly drafted, shown flashes of greatness... benched. Difference is he provides more value at a fraction of the cost, so the team doesn’t HAVE to dump him off in to someone else. That’s wonderful in Roseman’s Wide World of Numbers, but again the human cost isn’t being factored. It’s straight up bull**** to name Wentz the guy over Hurts after the season both guys just played and it’s setting up to blow up directly in the Eagles face if it doesn’t go almost perfectly because the first sign of struggle from Wentz there will be calls for Hurts. I guess the logic is Wentz can’t torpedo his value much more, they can absorb Hurts $ easily and still have him as insurance, but basically **** your feelings kid unless Wentz continues to be a pumpkin than yeah man we totally believed you were the guy the whole time!

So, who wants the job? LOL

[ProfessaPackMan]

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5-10 years grace period for a Super Bowl? That’s crazy in this league where players are churned for having a single down year, and with way more financial commitment too.

Reid got 12 years including 6 after his only SB appearance.

It’s been 12 years since Tomlin’s last SB win(10 since his last appearance) and it’s been 7 years since Carroll’s last SB win.

Is a 5 year grace period really crazy after a SB win? Or do you think it’s time for the other 2 coaches I mentioned to be let go?

[Jeffx]

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I believe Roseman was the bigger issue.

My brother's a huge Eagles fan, and he's still fuming that they passed on Justin Jefferson.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Reid got 12 years including 6 after his only SB appearance.

It’s been 12 years since Tomlin’s last SB win(10 since his last appearance) and it’s been 7 years since Carroll’s last SB win.

Is a 5 year grace period really crazy after a SB win? Or do you think it’s time for the other 2 coaches I mentioned to be let go?

Tomlin and Carroll went to 2 Super Bowls. Pete should have won his 2nd. Tomlin nearly did as well.

Carroll has set the standard for the Seahawks. Holmgren is the guy that started overhauling a pretty bad culture, but Carroll carried that ahead even farther. I think its tough to use him as an example, he's breaking new ground.

Carroll also will have left a lasting mark on the League with that defense.

I don't really fault Lurie. If you're sitting in a room, and not liking what you're hearing from the man leading your organization, what else is there to do?

And after the McCarthy situation, I view this the same way as Bill Walshs 'better to dump a player a year too early' mentality. There is NOTHING worse than KNOWING your guy can't do the job.

[illwill10]

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The writing was on the wall once the reports about a 2nd interview taking place came out. You don't typically see a second exit interview. If he didn't like what he heard last week, this was a "I'll give you one more chance to say something I want to hear" and as a SB winning coach Doug probably stood his ground.


I agree, who would want this job? Meddling owner, untouchable GM, in cap hell, aging roster with little young talent, no personnel say, interference with staffing decisions. It's not logical to draft another QB unless one of top falls, so QB situation uncertain. I'll take Kafka as a OC, not a HC. He's only 34 and I doubt he has been coaching long since he probably was a backup QB in KC a few years ago. No way Lincoln Riley considers leaving Oklahoma for Philly. If he wasn't interested in Dallas last year(which was a better situation), he's not going to Philly because of Hurts. I wouldn't mind Duce Staley. Players love him there. Since Roseman isn't going anywhere, they need to find someone with the same vision as him.

I'll keep an eye on Eric Bieniemy though. I heard a during a podcast that he didn't have a great ATL interview(don't know to believe), Houston is a no go, Jaguars is Urban's job if he wants it. That leaves Jets, Lions, Chargers, and Philly. I can see Lurie dipping back into the Andy Reid tree

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I don't see Lurie as a meddler.

He gave Reid free reign for years. If this decision is based in some way on Wentz, who can blame him? Thats a big financial commitment. And I don't fault anyone for trying to see Wentz' talent through. Obviously, it is there.

I can see Beienemy as a natural fit as well.

PFT said they have already reached out to Lincoln Riley.