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[Rocky]

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You're right I'm not really taking the rushing into this, but I will acknowledge it a part of Wilsons game that he is great with. I just view the QB position differently, they are the distributor of the ball. In his first 3 years Brady had 1,541 pass attempts he was given the offense and was going with it. In his first three years Wilson has 1,252 attempts. Wilson is also playing in the pass friendly NFL where DBs can't touch WRs, defenses can't hit WRs and no one can touch the QB. Brady's first there years were in a vastly different NFL (as you have stated).

But Brady even in his early years, was a guy who made the talent around him better. While it appears to me that Wilson benefits from the talent and has actually made Jimmy Graham look worse (I am willing to entertain the thought that Graham has something to do with that) but then again when Brady had Moss (an elite WR talent), they damn near broke the league and Moss had far less in the tank than Graham at this point.

Am I hard on Wilson, sure I'll own that, but are we really gonna compare him to Brady even early in their careers. I think Wilson's early years compare more to Jim Kellys as a far as a passer of the football

I completely don't get your point about not counting rushing totals. To me that's somewhat asinine. Did those yards not exist? And that's not counting the fact that on many run plays he takes a defender away in the run game which helps his backs gain yards.

Yet still, he was clearly a more efficient passer than Brady in his first four years. Again, you're being selective with your numbers. And who did he have to throw to? He had Golden Tate his first SB run...and got within a yard of winning another one with essentially Baldwin and Kearse as receivers.

They are vastly different players but I don't you can say in that timeframe one is head and shoulders above the other. (I would argue Big Ben is the better comparison for Wilson.) Its definitely not an insult to say that Wilson's reputation was similar to Brady's early.

[jWILL253]

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I just wanna say that passing attempts is probably the most useless volume stat for anyone to cite in a discussion of a QB's talent.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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As with any stat, it depends on the context because if you're using it to talk about efficiency, then it's OK to use.

That's just one example when it's ok to use in a discussion of a QB's talent.

[Blzer]

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Browsing through my league, I just noticed that Brandon McManus (Broncos kicker) has more fantasy points than Peyton Manning.

[pw_1016]

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You are wrong. Mostly bc of what Beantown just stated. Plenty of people called Brady overrated for years. Plus who dislikes Wilson? An honest debate on where he's at in his career doesn't mean anyone hates him.

Ok beantown proved me wrong. However, a lot of people dislike Wilson. People have a habit of disliking NFL players with good, clean, wholesome personalities. That's one reason people really don't like Peyton Manning. People constantly say he is overrated even though he has revolutionized the QB position (who audibles like him?) and led the Colts to the playoffs consistently for 10+ years with bottom 5 ranked defenses . People I work with say Peyton is the greatest regular season qb of all time. Thats not a compliment.

[redsox4evur]

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Ok beantown proved me wrong. However, a lot of people dislike Wilson. People have a habit of disliking NFL players with good, clean, wholesome personalities. That's one reason people really don't like Peyton Manning. People constantly say he is overrated even though he has revolutionized the QB position (who audibles like him?) and led the Colts to the playoffs consistently for 10+ years with bottom 5 ranked defenses . People I work with say Peyton is the greatest regular season qb of all time. Thats not a compliment.

Really? I have never heard anyone say that. Look at Dan Marino or Montana people love them and they a good, clean, wholesome personalities, iirc. And Manning isn't overrated either. He is definitely a top 10 QB of all time, maybe even top 5. He isn't in the discussion of top 3 because he hasn't done **** in the playoffs. He doesn't have a winning record in the playoffs. Has gone one and done a couple of times as well. He is 11-13 in the playoffs with 1 SB victory. If he has 3 SB victories and is barely above .500 he is regarded as the #3 QB all time behind Montana and Brady. I think people call him overrated because of he can't show up for big games. Look at his latest SB game, he and the Broncos got trounced. And to be honest being called the greatest anything is a compliment, 95% of the time.

[l3ulvl]

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Really? I have never heard anyone say that. Look at Dan Marino or Montana people love them and they a good, clean, wholesome personalities, iirc. And Manning isn't overrated either. He is definitely a top 10 QB of all time, maybe even top 5. He isn't in the discussion of top 3 because he hasn't done **** in the playoffs. He doesn't have a winning record in the playoffs. Has gone one and done a couple of times as well. He is 11-13 in the playoffs with 1 SB victory. If he has 3 SB victories and is barely above .500 he is regarded as the #3 QB all time behind Montana and Brady. I think people call him overrated because of he can't show up for big games. Look at his latest SB game, he and the Broncos got trounced. And to be honest being called the greatest anything is a compliment, 95% of the time.

To be fair, Marino and Montana weren't in the age of social scrutiny like today's guys are. I have a feeling he's getting at JJ Watt for people getting tired of his wholesome shtick, which is the weirdest thing to get tired of

[pw_1016]

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Really? I have never heard anyone say that. Look at Dan Marino or Montana people love them and they a good, clean, wholesome personalities, iirc. And Manning isn't overrated either. He is definitely a top 10 QB of all time, maybe even top 5. He isn't in the discussion of top 3 because he hasn't done **** in the playoffs. He doesn't have a winning record in the playoffs. Has gone one and done a couple of times as well. He is 11-13 in the playoffs with 1 SB victory. If he has 3 SB victories and is barely above .500 he is regarded as the #3 QB all time behind Montana and Brady. I think people call him overrated because of he can't show up for big games. Look at his latest SB game, he and the Broncos got trounced. And to be honest being called the greatest anything is a compliment, 95% of the time.

Him being called the greatest regular season qb of all time is a sarcastic way of saying he only plays good in the regular season and is a crappy playoff qb. that is not a compliment.

Maybe i was exaggerating about people not liking wholesome qbs.

Anyway, people seem to like Eli more than peyton because he has two rings. But Eli always throws tons of interceptions and has played on teams with great defenses so he is not better than peyton. So when comparing the two , Eli should be called overrated not peyton. btw, can you name any good lineman peyton has had during his career, not named jeff saturday?

[l3ulvl]

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btw, can you name any good lineman peyton has had during his career, not named jeff saturday?

Tarik Glenn was pretty good

[dubcity]

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Browsing through my league, I just noticed that Brandon McManus (Broncos kicker) has more fantasy points than Peyton Manning.

Well, Peyton is making Blake Bortles look like a fantasy god this year, by comparison. I wonder how many people wasted a 1st or 2nd round pick on him ...

[cam21224]

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He isn't in the discussion of top 3 because he hasn't done **** in the playoffs. He doesn't have a winning record in the playoffs. Has gone one and done a couple of times as well. He is 11-13 in the playoffs with 1 SB victory. If he has 3 SB victories and is barely above .500 he is regarded as the #3 QB all time behind Montana and Brady. I think people call him overrated because of he can't show up for big games.

Meh, I think football is the the hardest sport to pin success or lack of solely on one person. I mean outside outside of the ****ty defense he's always had, getting hot that super bowl run, Peyton might not even have the one ring he has. I'm bias towards the guy but he really masked a lot of Indys deficiencies for years, which was evident the year he went down and it takes having a complete team/or both sides getting hot at the right time and a little bit of luck.

Dwight and Robert fed off Peyton and that offense getting the lead and Sanders was a beast whenever he was healthy and on the field, but when you can't trust your defense to get you the ball and not allow teams to play keep away by running it down your throats nonstop you have to take chances and unfortunately for Manning it didn't work out over the years and it looks like Lucks path is heading in the same direction.

Brady didn't always have better offensive players but he always had better overall teams and a great a coach. We've seen him with and without the defense/special teams and with and without great offensive skill players and the guy flat out gets it done. That's all something will all have to wait and see out of Russ, as much as I crack jokes on the guy I know the guy is good and has been to two superbowls, hell Eli has two and I won't hear any Giants fan pumping that guy up IMHO that guys is all the way meh.

I think that defense and run game was so strong those years for Russ people need to see him without either for a better sense of where he's at, I should add he's doing good so far this year with both struggling this season.

[mestevo]

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Well, Peyton is making Blake Bortles look like a fantasy god this year, by comparison. I wonder how many people wasted a 1st or 2nd round pick on him ...

Yeah, Denver just went something like 27 offensive drives before finally scoring a touchdown.

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[slickdtc]

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Well, Peyton is making Blake Bortles look like a fantasy god this year, by comparison. I wonder how many people wasted a 1st or 2nd round pick on him ...

Playing in a 2 QB league and I went QB-QB to start. Rodgers & Manning. It was stupid to begin with because they have the same bye week, but I underestimated Manning's decline.

Funny you mentioned Bortles because I was high on him, so picked him late as a backup on my team. Traded Manning for Kaep/Davante Adams two weeks ago but they're mostly stash/fill in's because Bortles fantasy success made it easy to make him a starter. I pretty much just needed some more WR depth without giving one up.

[dubcity]

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Playing in a 2 QB league and I went QB-QB to start. Rodgers & Manning. It was stupid to begin with because they have the same bye week, but I underestimated Manning's decline.

Well, I know people who picked Manning 1st overall (not even a Broncos homer, either), so don't feel too bad, lol.

[mestevo]

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Jags extend their annual London game deal for 5 more years through at least 2025.

I liked the story about Shad Kahn and his London aspirations in this story from Tuesday:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...jags-in-london

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