Xbox One

[Cpre5]

Re: Xbox One

They announced this for PC?

Should be X1 only

[bigfnjoe96]

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They announced this for PC?

Should be X1 only

When asked during E3, Capcom said "No Comment" about bringing it to the PC. So yes it is a XB-1 Exclusive.

[Ky3217]

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But if they take those away, they can't do playing a game with no disc, playing your games on any console, and disc free sharing.

There are other ways to regulate this..

Plus people who arent connected arent going to be doing this anyway

So why require an internet connection to use the console?

When asked during E3, Capcom said "No Comment" about bringing it to the PC. So yes it is a XB-1 Exclusive.

Not sure how you got exclusive out of "no comment"

[blackceasar]

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I think that is where the disconnect with the pro X1 and Con X1 guys lay. It is not so much as people just hating on MS just to hate. I love my 360, but why remove what I love about the console and make it harder for me to enjoy the better version of that console? Where is the win in it for MS?

Spoiler

Honestly the only win I can see from them is the contracts or whatever was made between these 3rd parties who are going to use this "kinect data". I don't see any other main winning point on making this uphill battle for themselves.

Take it from someone that works first hand in advertising, marketing, etc. Ive done things from look at focus groups all the way over to writing scripts for big TV commercials. While I dont and wont know whats really going on over at MS, my own professional experience with data and what marketers do with it and the VALUE of it from both a re-marketing and ($$$$$) standpoint leaves me to be a little suspicious of MS and some of their decisions. I'm not saying they are forcing things like kinect on people for some evil reason. I'm just saying there is smoke there, and you know what they say about where there's smoke.

I'm a lifelong Xbox > PS guy but not this time around and its not even about any privacy or data thing. I just feel like Microsoft is making a (BUSINESS FIRST) shift with the X1. They are banking on their Xbox loyalists (whom a good number will still buy the X1 no matter what) coupled with their new consumers they think they will win over (the "family" or couple that just watches netflix via their smart TV, Apple TV or some other Roku device). I think at least in the first year of launch this is a misstep for X1. I think they are smart enough to realize this though. I think they truly believe the bigger picture is year 2 and 3 of their new system and who they are NOW trying to market it too.

Here is the problem though.

1. MS has underestimated the power and dollar of the gamer. We really are the number one group of people that will drop 400-500 bucks on either of these next gen systems. With that said, a lot of us are going to skew more towards the one that is more friendly to GAMERS, which right now at least feels like Sony is winning that battle (could change, but right now they are clearly winning, the numbers dont lie).

2. MS realizes point 1... I think and are making a bet on the OTHER group of consumers.. the people rocking Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's. The problem is that this consumer who has these things but not video game systems are going to view the new Xbox AS a video game system first, no matter how hard MS markets this as anything BUT a game system

3. If MS is going to market the X1 as this full on all in one "home entertianment hub" to these "other" non-gaming consumers they are going to have to do two things to be successful. 1. Shake the "game" label these people are going to immediately place on it.. and 2.. justify the 500.00 price tag to this group of people. Trust me, a lot of these people are going to say "why in the hell am i going to spend 500.00 on this netflix player from MS when I can get apple TV or a Roku for 100.00 if I dont already have a smart TV??" Sure the X1 is A LOT more than just that, but this group of consumers just isnt into this tech and stuff like we are. These are the same consumers that when shopping for a laptop or new computer, they just want something to check email and facebook on, even though their computer can do SOOO much more.

I really think MS is going to get hammered in the race to be the number 1 next gen system in the first year. I think where MS is really missing the mark is underesimating the power of their already built in audience of gamers AND at the same time OVER-estimating the willingness of the "normal" consumer to drop 500.00 on what they will just believe is MS's answer to the 100.00 apple TV.

I myself will eventually own both systems, if anything so I can have ALL the exclusive titles but for the first time in a long time, I think I'm going to run with the PS4 first.. and this is a BIG first for me.

On a side note though, the more I think about it, the more I believe that MS wants to push the X1 to a wider group of people because they DO want to collect data on a wider demographic. I mean MS and Sony already can collect data to a degree on us with the current gen systems.. I mean in a non-big brother crazy kind of way... but right now, they are just collecting marketing data on a small slice of the public. Most of us that have systems are like 13-34, we skew male, and there are other similar traits we have for the most part. When you look at it, we are a SMALL slice of the bigger public. If MS can get their system into all kinds of different peoples homes, they can collect more data on a wider group of people.. and the more data you have on a bigger range of people, the more $$$$valuable that data becomes to market OTHER MS things in the future and it will help MS decide what their next development investments would be... AND.... maybe re-sell that data to other companies, or trade it or whatever. This is more me going down the consipracy route... but I'm just trying to really understand why the big shift. MS is NOT dumb... so there has to be more to it.

just my 2.5 cents.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Not sure how you got exclusive out of "no comment"

Not my conclusion, someone else's

Nice little tidbit from Respawn on the evolution of Titanfall

"So with a small but growing team, Respawn started prototyping ideas in Valve’s Source Engine. Concepts that worked survived. Anything that wasn’t immediately fun got cut. Initially, the team was just making a game with next-gen consoles in mind. Microsoft wouldn’t announce Xbox One for three more years, so Respawn, who teamed up with publisher EA, wasn’t building Titanfall with exclusivity in mind. It wasn’t until the cloud functionality that Respawn realized what it could do with Windows 8 and what would become Xbox One. “It allowed us to think of the game a little differently,” Zampella explains. “That was the perfect solution.” Offloading artificial intelligence and dedicated servers to the cloud guarantee a smoother experience with smarter enemies in a game that blurs the line between single-player campaign and competitive multiplayer."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/17/e3-2013-vince-zampella-discusses-respawns-titanfall

Oh da powa of da cloud.....

[mestevo]

Re: Xbox One

There are other ways to regulate this..

Plus people who arent connected arent going to be doing this anyway

So why require an internet connection to use the console?



Not sure how you got exclusive out of "no comment"

How would you propose they do it while offering all of the same benefits?

[aholbert32]

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How would you propose they do it while offering all of the same benefits?

What benefits are coming from the online check or online always? Everything they want to do (Cloud storage, running games off the cloud, Kinect, TV/DVR) can all be done without forcing people to check in online every 24 hrs.

[mestevo]

What benefits are coming from the online check? Everything they want to do (Cloud storage, running games off the cloud, Kinect, TV/DVR) can all be done without forcing people to check in online every 24 hrs.

And how do you do provide all of those benefits without regularly synchronizing licenses with the box?

Not everything you mention requires that either way.

He said there are other ways to regulate that, so I asked what those would be.

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[aholbert32]

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And how do you do provide all of those benefits without regularly synchronizing licenses with the box?

Not everything you mention requires that either way.

He said there are other ways to regulate that, so I asked what those would be.

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They do cloud storage right now without forcing you to go online at all times.

Most games at this point dont run off the cloud so there is no need for an online check. When we get to the point that they are run primarily off the cloud, it can be manage by a game by game basis.

Kinect is working fine without online checks now.

TV/DVR works on several other devices without mandatory online checks.

[Bmore]

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Sorry if this has already been asked, but what happens if you're unable to check in? Will the X1 become a brick?

[mgoblue]

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They do cloud storage right now without forcing you to go online at all times.

Most games at this point dont run off the cloud so there is no need for an online check. When we get to the point that they are run primarily off the cloud, it can be manage by a game by game basis.

Kinect is working fine without online checks now.

TV/DVR works on several other devices without mandatory online checks.

I think his point is that without online checks you could install your profile on 20 xboxes, download the games, and then go offline forever. Then all those xboxes could use the same games. I don't think this works on Sony because you require the discs. Not sure if you could game Sony and use the digital downloads on multiple systems offline or not....They probably have some checks for this as well.

The online checks let you install games to the account (no discs) but in order to cut out those workarounds they require the 24 hour checkin.

I wish it was 3-7 day checkin, but they don't...

[mestevo]

They do cloud storage right now without forcing you to go online at all times.

Most games at this point dont run off the cloud so there is no need for an online check. When we get to the point that they are run primarily off the cloud, it can be manage by a game by game basis.

Kinect is working fine without online checks now.

TV/DVR works on several other devices without mandatory online checks.

How do you propose they manage game ownership without the online check? Used gamez, discless playback, playing from any Xbox one, family share from another Xbox...

That's what has to be resolved, that is why there is the phone home.

They've already said TV and Blu-ray functionality will work even if it can't phone home presumably some of that other stuff as well.

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[Quint75]

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Just want to re-introduce the point that nearly every aspect of what we believe the MS policies are can be controlled in software. I fully expect some things to change before launch.

We can be upset/disappointed (and probably should be) right now on the current info, but MS won't want to lose before day one. So don't assume a policy is locked in right now...everything is an ongoing negotiation with partners.

I agree with this. I have been an Xbox guy since the original. I own a 360 and a PS3 but my gaming has really been 90% 360 the whole time, with the 10% only being for PS3 exclusives like Uncharted and The Show. But I am not going with the Bone, I am going PS4, all because of MS's ridiculous (for me, anyway) restrictions. It was a very easy decision for me.

However, we are still months away from launch. And things in the MS policy could change. I really see them at least changing the 24 hour check window to something longer, say 72 hours. My biggest beef besides that is the used games debacle. I don't buy used games, but I sell them or trade them in to help me buy new games. That's a huge deal to me. If MS sees PS4 strike out to a big lead in sales, I believe they might even revisit that decision and make it somewhat less restrictive. If so, I am back in the market for a Bone.

I definitely expect to get the Xbone at some point. I prefer it's launch titles over PS4's. And I hate to miss out on exclusives from either side. So while right now I am 100% committed to PS4 and am getting one at launch for sure, I do expect that I will be an Xbone owner within a year or two, especially of MS revisits some of their policies.

[Solidice]

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Sorry if this has already been asked, but what happens if you're unable to check in? Will the X1 become a brick?

you can watch TV or movies.

[Ky3217]

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I think his point is that without online checks you could install your profile on 20 xboxes, download the games, and then go offline forever. Then all those xboxes could use the same games. I don't think this works on Sony because you require the discs. Not sure if you could game Sony and use the digital downloads on multiple systems offline or not....They probably have some checks for this as well.

The online checks let you install games to the account (no discs) but in order to cut out those workarounds they require the 24 hour checkin.

I wish it was 3-7 day checkin, but they don't...

Do you see Steam requiring a check in? Because I dont.
An inordinate amount of installs could easily be tracked.
Like I said, there are other ways to do it. The 24 hour check in is pointless