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[Sinner]

Re: Xbox 720

MS where are you with the reveal? Like most I hope this all ways on always needing internet is not true...this will really hurt their next gen console for sure. Thing is if Adam Orth is what most of MS thinks about this then they will do it and the only thing that will make them even consider changing their minds is if at the reveal when they say Always On always needing an Internet connection most of the people get up and walk out.

[pietasterp]

Re: Xbox 720

I've already said that I think always-online is stupid but what's funny to me is that all the people I've seen who are the most vocal in their opposition (not just here or on the internet) are people who are online every day of the week.

That's the thing that makes it funny to me. You have some commenting (over at Kotaku) on articles that only people that are very interested in this stuff will see. And, if you are very interested, you will surely have some type of "always on" device so you can get the latest word on things...you are interested in.

There is this stubbornness I am seeing that tends to show itself in human nature when things change. I also think the "always on" thing isn't necessary, but for me I'm in a position where, if my internet isn't working, I'm not able to watch anything on TV. All our TV entertainment is done via the 360, so I have to be always on. And, it is very rare that I do not have a connection. So being always connected is essential for me.

But even beyond that, I want my device to be always connected. I enjoy the "live" feel that my phone has with things updating and me being notified about it. I like the ability to filter that information to my liking. I like getting on my xbox and browsing updates, demos, friends' activity etc. It's a very natural thing.

And again, the only ones debating this entire topic are people that are always on....so what's the big deal?

Right, but the problem is, always-on is a 2-way street. What happens when Microsoft's servers/ XBox Live goes down? Or is overloaded when a new game drops? I can see it now...can't play GTA VI because too many people on all at once...

[pietasterp]

Re: Xbox 720

And Sim City followed Diablo 3, an always-online game that had server problems at launch but didn't dissuade anyone from getting Sim City. I don't trust any of this outrage until I see people actually do something other than whine on forums, and I'm pretty sure that that's Microsoft's strategy too.

Right, but if there were other games that were essentially exactly like Diablo 3 or SimCity with similar brand name-recognition that did not require you to be always online, which one do you think more people would have bought?

[kingkilla56]

Re: Xbox 720

I think it's because of ads.
When people ask why gold members see ads I always tell them because silver never have a reason to be online other than to dl or update something so they almost never see them. If everyone always has to be online then everyone will always see them. Of course the ammount of customers they should lose because of this undercuts the whole thing.

Ads are a part of it. They obviously want complete control and monitoring over what each one of their boxes do. Some anti-piracy ambitions, along with control over advertisements. But not a thing that suggests its in the consumer's benefit. Im not sure about some of this spying stuff some people are speaking but Im not really a fan of the kinect being required and functional 24/7

[mestevo]

Ads are a part of it. They obviously want complete control and monitoring over what each one of their boxes do. Some anti-piracy ambitions, along with control over advertisements. But not a thing that suggests its in the consumer's benefit. Im not sure about some of this spying stuff some people are speaking but Im not really a fan of the kinect being required and functional 24/7

Because the benefits haven't been leaked/rumored. Like SimCity and Diablo, they aren't doing it just because they can (region play/features and the real money auction house in their cases). 'So we can deliver the best targeted ads' isn't going to fly either.

I wouldn't be surprised if mandatory kinect and online are simply the common denominators of the environment, rather than a requirement to even look in the consoles general direction like some of these replies are expecting. Some games may require one or the other, but I'd be surprised to see the console require both 100% of the time.

Stop making yourselves look silly with the spy stuff though.

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[ubernoob]

Re: Xbox 720

Except SimCity and D3 did institute online-only as a form of DRM "just because they can."

[kingkilla56]

Re: Xbox 720

Because the benefits haven't been leaked/rumored. Like SimCity and Diablo, they aren't doing it just because they can (region play/features and the real money auction house in their cases). 'So we can deliver the best targeted ads' isn't going to fly either.

I wouldn't be surprised if mandatory kinect and online are simply the common denominators of the environment, rather than a requirement to even look in the consoles general direction like some of these replies are expecting. Some games may require one or the other, but I'd be surprised to see the console require both 100% of the time.

Stop making yourselves look silly with the spy stuff though.

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I cant see the benefit for requiring the games to be online other than them pushing this online revolution into high gear. There is no beneficial why anyone should not be allowed to play their games offline other than them wanting access to your xbox.

The box being functional should not be a benefit of 24/7 connection. Its as simple as that.

At this point I hope Microsoft is letting these rumors set in, only to debunk them whenever they finally reveal the thing. I guess everyone talking about it now will reap rewards when the rumors prove untrue. But I doubt it.

[mestevo]

Except SimCity and D3 did institute online-only as a form of DRM "just because they can."

Region play and the real money auction house are why these require online, they're bigger efforts and more significant than DRM. Or has someone been able to figure out an offline region play yet?

Those aren't small token efforts tacked on for piracy's sake, but rather core features of the game, whether you use the RMAH or not.

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[mestevo]

I cant see the benefit for requiring the games to be online other than them pushing this online revolution into high gear. There is no beneficial why anyone should not be allowed to play their games offline other than them wanting access to your xbox.

The box being functional should not be a benefit of 24/7 connection. Its as simple as that.

At this point I hope Microsoft is letting these rumors set in, only to debunk them whenever they finally reveal the thing. I guess everyone talking about it now will reap rewards when the rumors prove untrue. But I doubt it.

Unless every game has an online component. I also think you misunderstood that I think it will be an option, but for developers to consider online connectivity to be the lowest common denominator.

All of this silliness will be forgotten if they have a good announcement presser the way Sony did.

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[ubernoob]

Re: Xbox 720

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/16/simcity-modder-tells-us-offline-regional-play-easily-done/

Any form of always online (save for MMOs, which is their main draw is being in a persistent world) is just a cheap form of DRM. D3, SimCity are not MMOs despite what they say.

As for D3? Simple. All they need to do is the same as d2, where your single player accounts are separate from online. It's not that hard.

[PAPERNUT]

Re: Xbox 720

Lots of good points, theories, etc in this thread so far, but none of it will matter in the end. Little Johnny will get that new Xbox in the end just to play COD like his other friends. He will drive mommy and daddy crazy till they give in to shut him up no matter the cost. Big Johnny will get one as well, just like he does for Madden and NCAA every year even though he says he will not, only to buy it again and go back to the forums a week later and whine about it.

MS knows all this as they have seen it for a decade now. It will not matter if they do all the things people are flipping out about as they know a large majority will still buy in the end. They have set the tone(DLC, Online, etc) ever since they got into the console business and there is no reason for that to change now, especially since the consumer has not changed.

[mestevo]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...y-easily-done/

Any form of always online (save for MMOs, which is their main draw is being in a persistent world) is just a cheap form of DRM. D3, SimCity are not MMOs despite what they say.

As for D3? Simple. All they need to do is the same as d2, where your single player accounts are separate from online. It's not that hard.

So the answer is no, to region play offline then? That's like only being able to play Call of Duty single player. The interoperability of 16-20 cities at one time that may or may not be evolving as you play your own city IS SimCity. Not just a tacked on DRM "just because they can"

As for an online/offline mode for D3... one of the more reasonable suggestions in this thread, but given the option of putting in more work for an IP that is going to sell well anyways then they're going to go with their vision 9 times out of ten. They certainly have a weaker case of the two, but that's mostly because of the RMAH backlash too.

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[Dos_Santos]

Re: Xbox 720

Lots of good points, theories, etc in this thread so far, but none of it will matter in the end. Little Johnny will get that new Xbox in the end just to play COD like his other friends. He will drive mommy and daddy crazy till they give in to shut him up no matter the cost. Big Johnny will get one as well, just like he does for Madden and NCAA every year even though he says he will not, only to buy it again and go back to the forums a week later and whine about it.

MS knows all this as they have seen it for a decade now. It will not matter if they do all the things people are flipping out about as they know a large majority will still buy in the end. They have set the tone(DLC, Online, etc) ever since they got into the console business and there is no reason for that to change now, especially since the consumer has not changed.

I am Big Johnny.

Microsoft absolutely has my loyalty with a perfect controller and incredible online experience/userface.

They will have to completely crap the bed for me not to buy whatever they release in the fall.

My only request is blu-ray movie playback and not just games.

[mestevo]

Technically no games are playing from the drive either if then rumor of everything being installed is true

Nothing I've read so far would have me rule out of buying a Nextbox. HDMI passthrough would nearly clinch my day 1 purchase and skipping Sony's console until it hits $200-300 if not entirely.

I'd pay $300 today for a 360 with an HDMI pass through and low power always/instant on mode.

Walk into the living room, say "Xbox, Netflix" and my DirecTV is muted as an Xbox overlay appears as it loads netflix? Yes please.

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[ubernoob]

Re: Xbox 720

As for the "no" of region offline play... Maxis states their reasoning is because the server does some crazy calculation, when in fact that is a lie.

That article proves that their reasoning is BS. It's literally their form of DRM. Not up in arms about that game, because as soon as I saw always online it turned it from a pre-order to a no-buy.