Xbox One

[mestevo]

Personally I see it as similar to moving forward with HD on consoles. At some point you have to move forward without the ideal experience for the absolute lowest common denominator in order to move forward. Those that choose to buy the product anyways are required to make an informed decision as a consumer.

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[jmood88]

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Why lop off that segment of the market, though? You want to increase your market not take away from it. I don't have the numbers, but I would say there's quite a few people who game without internet connections. Haven't we been doing that for 30 years?

Obviously MS didn't explain everything yesterday, but they could have done a lot better job of setting themselves up by demonstrating exactly how beneficial these changes will be for the consumer. Cloud computing/gaming has me excited personally, but if its not utilized then I see everything else on the system as a waste for me personally. Even then that's probably not in the first year of launch anyway.

I'm thinking it's because they make more money off of people who connect their systems and/or they think that Internet access is going to spread to more homes in the future. Not many people had HDTV's when they made that the focus of their games (remember the outcry over not being able to read the text on a sdtv when playing Dead Rising) and barely anyone had broadband when they made that a requirement for Live so this seems to be a trend, although they are being more punitive than they were in the past.

[jmood88]

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I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there:
I want no part of the console that has a device that's constantly recording me and can do the biometrics facial recognition and everything else that this technology can do.
This thing reeks of big brother in my opinion
I don't want to sound conspiratorial However it's only a matter of time before this data that's either stored on your hard drive or on Microsoft servers
Is collected by whatnever agency that has no business using it.
Obviously if your criminal and it's fine if they're going to use that but that's not always how it is. Look no further than Google and all the information they passed illegally to different agencies
Without any consent from anybody that information was taken from.
I just have a hard time believing that this is necessary for me to be able to
Play Madden. Check that, there is NO reason this I need to submit to this
To do ANY kind of gaming. Eventually I can see this being used to track people
Who like violent games etc.
I know I sound like a nut, but look no further than the Drone war...it started in warzones and now drones are flying over the US (which mind you I said would happen years before) and there was a fillibuster to try to get answers as to the legality of an American being drone striked on US soil.
So what do you folks think?
Paranoia or a valid concern?

You're being extremely paranoid but hey, at least there are other options for you.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'm thinking it's because they make more money off of people who connect their systems and/or they think that Internet access is going to spread to more homes in the future. Not many people had HDTV's when they made that the focus of their games (remember the outcry over not being able to read the text on a sdtv when playing Dead Rising) and barely anyone had broadband when they made that a requirement for Live so this seems to be a trend, although they are being more punitive than they were in the past.

Oh yeah. The digital marketplace is probably one of the better "shopping spree" friendly ideas and it makes sense for MS to push towards that market. I can see that's what they're doing and pushing for, but I know a lot of people can't think that way. It would be nice if MS just told us their intentions and why its great for us, but they have yet to do that for the gamers.

[st67]

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I have to post this here. It's a GIF and it does contain swearing; it's the ending scene of Se7en as an XBOX ONE spoof.

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

[Phobia]

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I'm thinking it's because they make more money off of people who connect their systems and/or they think that Internet access is going to spread to more homes in the future. Not many people had HDTV's when they made that the focus of their games (remember the outcry over not being able to read the text on a sdtv when playing Dead Rising) and barely anyone had broadband when they made that a requirement for Live so this seems to be a trend, although they are being more punitive than they were in the past.

This is a good point but I still feel removing a large section of your buying populaces because you REQUIRE internet is just poor business sense. They can make it where single player games can operate on the system with or without a internet connection they are just choosing to make it a requirement and remove a section of revenue.

[WildFan22]

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Neither MS or Sony have announced anything like this yet...they're waiting because it's so early in the process to drop info like this.

We don't even know what the PS4 looks like, it could be a giant orange circle lol.

They are waiting for E3 which is only three weeks away. I would rather show off my killer app when I have all the attention instead of waiting for the flood of game announcements at E3. Showing Killzone running on PS4 was more impressive than anything MS showed and it was exclusive to Sony.

I will buy both at some point but I think MS wasted an opportunity to create a buzz when they were in the spotlight.

[goh]

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I could check in once a day but I'd rather not be treated like a criminal having to check in with a parole officer. That's not how you treat customers and if it is you shouldn't have any.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...One-out-of-Ten

That brings up a good point too,I didn't even think of the chairity type stuff. Like donating the games to sick kids. "Sorry Johnny,we can only afford to have you live one more week or the fee to activate Madden 14 on this console."

[PAPERNUT]

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I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there:
I want no part of the console that has a device that's constantly recording me and can do the biometrics facial recognition and everything else that this technology can do.
This thing reeks of big brother in my opinion
I don't want to sound conspiratorial However it's only a matter of time before this data that's either stored on your hard drive or on Microsoft servers
Is collected by whatnever agency that has no business using it.
Obviously if your criminal and it's fine if they're going to use that but that's not always how it is. Look no further than Google and all the information they passed illegally to different agencies
Without any consent from anybody that information was taken from.
I just have a hard time believing that this is necessary for me to be able to
Play Madden. Check that, there is NO reason this I need to submit to this
To do ANY kind of gaming. Eventually I can see this being used to track people
Who like violent games etc.
I know I sound like a nut, but look no further than the Drone war...it started in warzones and now drones are flying over the US (which mind you I said would happen years before) and there was a fillibuster to try to get answers as to the legality of an American being drone striked on US soil.
So what do you folks think?
Paranoia or a valid concern?

Valid concern in my book. Fanboys may not like it, but from all the privacy issues out now with thing like Siri collection and more, no one can blame you for just wanting a few answers instead of bowing down in blind devotion.

[VDusen04]

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I just wonder how many of the people for whom the internet requirement is a problem for are actually buying consoles. There's no doubt that there's a huge problem with internet access in this country but how many of those people play games?

I actually believe there's still a large number of folks who like playing games but have no online gaming capabilities or limited ones. As mgoblue said, it's just a random study, but 20-30% doesn't sound crazy to me. It's certainly still a frequent occurrence in my area. I think the online gaming revolution has been huge, but sometimes it seems those going along for the ride assume we're all going along for the ride when in truth, that is hardly the case.

I'm thinking it's because they make more money off of people who connect their systems and/or they think that Internet access is going to spread to more homes in the future. Not many people had HDTV's when they made that the focus of their games (remember the outcry over not being able to read the text on a sdtv when playing Dead Rising) and barely anyone had broadband when they made that a requirement for Live so this seems to be a trend, although they are being more punitive than they were in the past.

I am not a gaming specialist so maybe I'm off here, but I feel the difference between the HDTV focus and a virtually "always online" focus is the former allowed for gamers to continue gaming even if they didn't have an HDTV, whereas the latter would needlessly exclude gamers without continuously functioning online capabilities (supposedly at least once every 24 hours).

I personally still do not have an HDTV. My gaming experience has still been phenomenal with one exception: NBA 2K11's score overlay was incredibly small and difficult to read on a standard TV. By the following year, the overlay was adjusted and all was once again right with the world. Games like Red Dead Redemption don't look quite as pretty on my standard as they do on my family's flat screen, but I can still play and enjoy them. Moreover, since I do not play online, I can enjoy playing RDR in any household at any time (whether I'm housesitting, traveling, internet slow or spotty, etc.) and whether I have a connection or not plays no role in my experience. It'd be a bummer for that to change.

[Sandman42]

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I'm curious if those 15 (or 8) games are full-console games or Kinect-style games.

Well right now we know about Quantum Break, Forza 5, and Ryse. I'll also assume Halo 5 and Dance Central 4 will be out within this window. There's also whatever that game that Rare is developing. I also assume this will ship with a Kinect Sports/Adventures type game again.

So that leaves room for 5/6 new IPs depending if Rare is doing something new or bringing back Banjo, Perfect Dark, or KI.

[authentic]

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As for the ridiculous internet connection debate, I will use an example that really concerns me. A couple years back there was a huge flood in my city. It wiped out almost 1/3 of the city. It was mainly on one side of the town because of how the hills are. When that happened, almost 1/2 of the town lost internet connection for 1-2 months. By making people be online to play a single player game, you're setting yourself up for disaster.

I know I won't buy this DVR. I play my 360 more than my PS3 right now as well, but I play the better system. I'm not going to try convince myself that a DVR with less power is the better system. Indie game restrictions, used game fees, always on internet, paid online subscription (better online I know), less exclusives, more restrictions...compared to a question in how good the online service will be on the PS4? Come on...

[jmood88]

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Valid concern in my book. Fanboys may not like it, but from all the privacy issues out now with thing like Siri collection and more, no one can blame you for just wanting a few answers instead of bowing down in blind devotion.

We had this discussion earlier in the thread but if you are truly concerned about your privacy, then make sure that you get rid of your smart phone or other new electronic devices. I don't know if you paid attention to the coverage of the search for the Boston bombers but the police found their location by using the GPS in the phone of a guy they kidnapped so if you're truly worried think that consumer electronics are used to spy on you, then you better get rid of your other devices ASAP.

[VDusen04]

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We had this discussion earlier in the thread but if you are truly concerned about your privacy, then make sure that you get rid of your smart phone or other new electronic devices. I don't know if you paid attention to the coverage of the search for the Boston bombers but the police found their location by using the GPS in the phone of a guy they kidnapped so if you're truly worried think that consumer electronics are used to spy on you, then you better get rid of your other devices ASAP.

I do not understand the Kinect Camera thing. Will it be off just like my built-in computer webcam until I click a button ordering it to turn on? Or is it in some kind of sleep mode where it's still potentially active and measuring things about me even if I'm playing a non-Kinect driven game?

Either way, I'm not a conspiracy guy or fear-of-government-getting-my-information person, but I admit the prospect of a camera always being latently on and reading me is a little creepier than a phone trail. But again, if it's more the laptop computer webcam route, that's a little better, though I'm still not necessarily a fan.

[mgoblue]

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I do not understand the Kinect Camera thing. Will it be off just like my built-in computer webcam until I click a button ordering it to turn on? Or is it in some kind of sleep mode where it's still potentially active and measuring things about me even if I'm playing a non-Kinect driven game?

Either way, I'm not a conspiracy guy or fear-of-government-getting-my-information person, but I admit the prospect of a camera always being latently on and reading me is a little creepier than a phone trail. But again, if it's more the laptop computer webcam route, that's a little better, though I'm still not necessarily a fan.

The microphone will be on because you can turn the Xbox on with a voice command....but it's on a super low power state that's just doing minimal stuff. I wouldn't think the camera would be on at that point...