Xbox One

[TreFacTor]

Re: Xbox One

This is a Xbone thread, not 360. There's a reason why Microsoft wanted TV through the Xbone and why Kinect is required to be connected at all times, and not just included in the box.

Microsoft can collect much more data about who watches TV, from a lot more people than Nielsen can. Think about it like this, say Microsoft only sells 100k Xbones this holiday season, and only a third of those are installed in living rooms with TV running through them. Both very conservative numbers. By Superbowl time they will have 33k homes collecting Kinect demographics numbers. That's who is watching, how intently, down to the second if Microsoft wanted. The next Superbowl, when advertisers are looking to buy their really expensive TV spot, who will they look to 20k homes worth of vague data in half hour blocks, or 33k homes worth of exactly who was watching the TV at all points in the game? Now imagine Microsoft has millions in homes gathering data every second of every day, you don't think that would be extremely more valuable than Neilsen's very basic demographic data?

Your assuming everyone who buys an xbox1 is going to connect their xbox one to their cable box...

[CaptainZombie]

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It's the same reason that hard drives were made mandatory in the first xbox's life and later on in the 360's. When developers knows that everyone has the peripheral, it means that they have an incentive to spend time on coming up with more uses for said peripheral. As it is now, Kinect is an afterthought because they have no idea who has bought it.

Kind of expecting the PS4's version of kinect to be required too, it just can't do as much so less concern about it.

Would seem strange for it to not be required when they are putting a move sensor on every controller, being able to mandate it available for every title will either lead to people getting it out for some games (not required to have connected all the time) or it actually needing to be plugged in all the time.

Either way, is there anything about that re: PS4?

In the end, this is MS's vision, if you don't buy into it just yet because there's only so much concrete information and a mountain of FUD, that's OK.

Huh, how the hell have HDD's been mandatory for the 360 when people can buy a 4gb version? If HDD's were mandatory, there would have been 360's with HDD's only. Come on Mood, you and mestevo have become the new "Slayer" of the forums with your fanboyism loyalty to MSFT. We know what happened to him, he is no longer here with his Sony agenda for years that got annoying.

Mestevo, you say the PS4 eye "it just can't do as much so less concern about it." We haven't seen much on this yet and don't even know how it's going to function, but you are ready to create some false info.

The move sensor on the controller is to also be able to help distinguish profiles, so yes, the PS4eye will probably be mandatory.

There are issues on both sides of the fence for next gen and come e3 we will see a good portion of where both console companies are heading. I'm sorry, when you start your 5/21 presentation off with entertainment and apps, showing off TV functionality with one of your 3 OS's instead of possibly showing off gaming and then how that will work with TV functionality, what does that tell you where MSFT is heading with the X1?

[mgoblue]

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How are either useful really? A lot of games use neither, and from what I gather or seen no one uses motion controls except some parties where you do a couple of easy bowling games or whatnot for an hour or two to get people involved. IMO the whole motion control is useless because it's almost an impossible sell for console gamers because most of the time when gamers get a chance to relax and play a game the last thing they're wanting to do is to exert physical energy waving arms around or running in place for an hour or two. That's what the gym is for, gaming for the foreseeable future (IMO of course) is going to revolve around a controller/game pad with little use for motion controls like the Kinect or Move - Thus I find it strange that so much of functionality of the Next Xbox is so tied to Kinect because I don't think as gamers or entertainment watchers that we're really accepting of this concept yet nor will be the next 4-8 years. And by that time, there's going to be a whole other next next gen on the horizon.

IMO the voice commands, ability to use motion controls, etc with Kinect outside of games make it pretty useful. Move is largely ignored and is useless outside of games (from what I know, I may be wrong).

They're doing it in a way that you can play the game while it installs. They claim you won't have to wait for it to install. At worst we certainly won't have to wait for the entire game.

A big pet peeve of mine too. Especially if you buy an older game. It took well over an hour to finally play Resistance 3 due to the install and updates last year.

PS3 also had a really slow Blu-Ray drive, something like 9mb/s. By comparison the PS4's is 4x that. Not sure about specs on the X1 drive.

I hated install speeds as well, at least they let you play while it installs. PS3 was horrible with installs, I could do a manual install on 360 much faster than it took a PS3 game to install. I wonder what the PS4 speeds will be on this.

Plus Sony was terrible with system update download and install speeds...I wonder if they'll fix that this gen. I think MS said they have background downloads for that so they will be more seamless.

[TreFacTor]

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Ummm, what? Hard drives were made standard because of space issues and because the lack of a standard hard drive negatively impacts development, which is why they were more prevalent on the 360 revisions and why most developers made having a hard drive a requirement to play their games.

I can play games on a slim that doesn't have a hard drive...the only instance I've run into where you can't is in a situation like madden where it needs to store replays on the hard drive...there were only a handful of games released that need the hard drive for the full experience.

[jmood88]

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Huh, how the hell have HDD's been mandatory for the 360 when people can buy a 4gb version? If HDD's were mandatory, there would have been 360's with HDD's only. Come on Mood, you and mestevo have become the new "Slayer" of the forums with your fanboyism loyalty to MSFT. We know what happened to him, he is no longer here with his Sony agenda for years that got annoying.

Mestevo, you say the PS4 eye "it just can't do as much so less concern about it." We haven't seen much on this yet and don't even know how it's going to function, but you are ready to create some false info.

The move sensor on the controller is to also be able to help distinguish profiles, so yes, the PS4eye will probably be mandatory.

There are issues on both sides of the fence for next gen and come e3 we will see a good portion of where both console companies are heading. I'm sorry, when you start your 5/21 presentation off with entertainment and apps, showing off TV functionality with one of your 3 OS's instead of possibly showing off gaming and then how that will work with TV functionality, what does that tell you where MSFT is heading with the X1?

There are games that require you to have a hard drive for them to work and the hard drive-less arcade version was fazed out in favor of the one you mentioned with internal storage.

[TreFacTor]

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There are games that require you to have a hard drive for them to work and the hard drive-less arcade version was fazed out in favor of the one you mentioned with internal storage.

Even though the units without hard drives were phased out, they still play all games. With the exception of the few you keep mentioning.

http://kotaku.com/5051501/why-the-36...hy-the-ps3-did

[mestevo]

Re: Xbox One

Huh, how the hell have HDD's been mandatory for the 360 when people can buy a 4gb version? If HDD's were mandatory, there would have been 360's with HDD's only. Come on Mood, you and mestevo have become the new "Slayer" of the forums with your fanboyism loyalty to MSFT. We know what happened to him, he is no longer here with his Sony agenda for years that got annoying.

Mestevo, you say the PS4 eye "it just can't do as much so less concern about it." We haven't seen much on this yet and don't even know how it's going to function, but you are ready to create some false info.

The move sensor on the controller is to also be able to help distinguish profiles, so yes, the PS4eye will probably be mandatory.

There are issues on both sides of the fence for next gen and come e3 we will see a good portion of where both console companies are heading. I'm sorry, when you start your 5/21 presentation off with entertainment and apps, showing off TV functionality with one of your 3 OS's instead of possibly showing off gaming and then how that will work with TV functionality, what does that tell you where MSFT is heading with the X1?

Move has never been about skeletal tracking, voice commands, etc and the specs have less fidelity than the Kinect 2... it wasn't a dig at a product it's just not going to be asked to do as much so it is a a peripheral is a reasonable statement, far from the assumptions made about other things in this thread.

As for the fanboy garbage, labeling people one thing or another really should be up there with the name calling stuff in the TOS because what does it accomplish? I present myself in a fairly objective manner, if I say something without the right context like the above point it out, the rest really isn't necessary, find a constructive argument rather than the partisan BS.

[kingkilla56]

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Im not following the Kinect is mandatory so devs will develop for it. Uh just ship a kinect with each box. It makes no sense why the box wont work if the kinect is not plugged in. Thats not a benefit to the gamer in any way.


If my kinect falls over and something gets loose inside my box wont work until I replace it? COMPLETE BULL****.

[mestevo]

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Even though the units without hard drives were phased out, they still play all games. With the exception of the few you keep mentioning.

http://kotaku.com/5051501/why-the-36...hy-the-ps3-did

Because the slim has an internal 4gb drive.

[authentic]

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Huh, how the hell have HDD's been mandatory for the 360 when people can buy a 4gb version? If HDD's were mandatory, there would have been 360's with HDD's only. Come on Mood, you and mestevo have become the new "Slayer" of the forums with your fanboyism loyalty to MSFT. We know what happened to him, he is no longer here with his Sony agenda for years that got annoying.

Mestevo, you say the PS4 eye "it just can't do as much so less concern about it." We haven't seen much on this yet and don't even know how it's going to function, but you are ready to create some false info.

The move sensor on the controller is to also be able to help distinguish profiles, so yes, the PS4eye will probably be mandatory.

There are issues on both sides of the fence for next gen and come e3 we will see a good portion of where both console companies are heading. I'm sorry, when you start your 5/21 presentation off with entertainment and apps, showing off TV functionality with one of your 3 OS's instead of possibly showing off gaming and then how that will work with TV functionality, what does that tell you where MSFT is heading with the X1?

Thank you. *applause*

[TreFacTor]

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Because the slim has an internal 4gb drive.

But the fat white units didn't and they still play all games...you just need the memory card for game saves...like I said before, there were very few games released that need the hard drive.

(trust me I've got 3 fats 2 slims and an elite. )

[authentic]

Re: Xbox One

Move has never been about skeletal tracking, voice commands, etc and the specs have less fidelity than the Kinect 2... it wasn't a dig at a product it's just not going to be asked to do as much so it is a a peripheral is a reasonable statement, far from the assumptions made about other things in this thread.

As for the fanboy garbage, labeling people one thing or another really should be up there with the name calling stuff in the TOS because what does it accomplish? I present myself in a fairly objective manner, if I say something without the right context like the above point it out, the rest really isn't necessary, find a constructive argument rather than the partisan BS.

Are we really going to pull the TOS card for someone calling you a fanboy? Come on, this thread, the PS4 thread is going to have arguments. Being called a fanboy would be a pretty questionable offense because it happens every single day on OS. Come on.

[jmood88]

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Even though the units without hard drives were phased out, they still play all games. With the exception of the few you keep mentioning.

http://kotaku.com/5051501/why-the-36...hy-the-ps3-did

I'm not really sure why you linked to that article because it is going in-depth on what I was talking about:

It's one of the things we really supported when the hardware specification was decided for PS3. Like Microsoft did, we could have had an optional hard drive and settled for cheaper combinations of hardware, but if we had done that - from a [development] standpoint - we cannot rely on every consumer to have a hard drive. So that really helps us to focus on [the fact that] every consumer has a hard drive. Now we can cache data so that gameplay is seamless.

Anyway, the point is, the Kinect being standard means that we are much more likely to see developers use it in meaningful ways because they know that everyone has one and they can plan their games with that in mind instead of just seeing it as a throwaway thing that not everyone has.

[jmood88]

Re: Xbox One

But the fat white units didn't and they still play all games...you just need the memory card for game saves...like I said before, there were very few games released that need the hard drive.

(trust me I've got 3 fats 2 slims and an elite. )

There were many games, especially later in the generation, that disable certain features, particularly features related to online and co-op.

[VDusen04]

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Hoping it's revealed at E3 that this is a part of the mandatory PS4 package.



That way all my favorite games can start making new editions with it in mind because they'll know it's there. I look forward to creating my own custom NBA 2K post-shot downcourt trots.