Xbox One

[DocHolliday]

Re: Xbox One

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

[VDusen04]

Re: Xbox One

And when a lot of people take issue and question Xbox, the only reaction is "That's just the way it's going to be, go play your 360. There is a vision that you can't see in which Microsoft is pursuing" . Yet, I've not heard what this magical vision is with DRM, Online Connecting, Kinect and how that benefits gamers, or anyone for that matter ?

Yeah, that's something I've been trying to wrap my head around throughout. I understand changing is oftentimes unavoidable, but I also know not everything has to move in a different direction just because someone says it so.

I can see there being benefits from XBox's alterations and restrictions, but I'm not sure they're hitting me in the face hard enough for me to realize and/or accept that all their moves are the positive and unavoidable wave of the future. Right now, I'm left asking, "Why is this the wave of the future?" It doesn't all feel outstanding right now.

Perhaps Microsoft will prove prophetic, but I trust folks must see why there are skeptics right now. A lot of the restrictive additions don't exactly jump out at people as something that was needed or wanted. "XBox always listening! Just say 'XBox on' and it'll turn on! But disconnect Kinnect and box will no longer work!" is similar to a new car feature being, "Car always listening, never use window button again! But do not disable auto listening feature, or else car with immediately halt". It's kind of just like, "Well.... okay.... I didn't really have an issue with that in the first place.... I guess that's kinda cool but... why?"

I suppose I just would have found all these new things a little more approachable if options were involved. For instance, if there could have somehow been an option to be a part of a 24 hour check-in (for people who want to play digitally all the time) while still allowing folks to play using their discs and not needing a constant check-up, I probably would have responded favorably. It would have been like, "Cool, not my cup of tea, but sounds neat - and it'll be there if I change my mind."

[NaturalSelected]

Re: Xbox One

I suppose I just would have found all these new things a little more approachable if options were involved. For instance, if there could have somehow been an option to be a part of a 24 hour check-in (for people who want to play digitally all the time) while still allowing folks to play using their discs and not needing a constant check-up, I probably would have responded favorably. It would have been like, "Cool, not my cup of tea, but sounds neat - and it'll be there if I change my mind."

I'm still hoping this happens actually.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Xbox One

Yeah, that's something I've been trying to wrap my head around throughout. I understand changing is oftentimes unavoidable, but I also know not everything has to move in a different direction just because someone says it so.

I can see there being benefits from XBox's alterations and restrictions, but I'm not sure they're hitting me in the face hard enough for me to realize and/or accept that all their moves are the positive and unavoidable wave of the future. Right now, I'm left asking, "Why is this the wave of the future?" It doesn't all feel outstanding right now.

Perhaps Microsoft will prove prophetic, but I trust folks must see why there are skeptics right now. A lot of the restrictive additions don't exactly jump out at people as something that was needed or wanted. "XBox always listening! Just say 'XBox on' and it'll turn on! But disconnect Kinnect and box will no longer work!" is similar to a new car feature being, "Car always listening, never use window button again! But do not disable auto listening feature, or else car with immediately halt". It's kind of just like, "Well.... okay.... I didn't really have an issue with that in the first place.... I guess that's kinda cool but... why?"

I suppose I just would have found all these new things a little more approachable if options were involved. For instance, if there could have somehow been an option to be a part of a 24 hour check-in (for people who want to play digitally all the time) while still allowing folks to play using their discs and not needing a constant check-up, I probably would have responded favorably. It would have been like, "Cool, not my cup of tea, but sounds neat - and it'll be there if I change my mind."

There's still 5 month's til launch, so anything is possible

[bigbob]

Re: Xbox One

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

It does not have the same policy.

Microsoft is forcing it, Sony told publishers it was up to them.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

It has not been stated. Provide a link that says the DRM policies will be the same.

Sony said it was up to the publishers (with what they can do via a disc at this point). Which is not much in comparison. MSFT provides these tools in the firmware and hardware. Sony does not.

There will be no way for an anti-trade in for the 3rd party developers, unless Sony allows them to tie it to PSN accounts. Which again, is not a part of Sony's PSN structure for the PS4.

Now if EA ties their EA login "check in" to the PSN account, that is on EA, not Sony. Each disk will need either it's own serial or more online codes like this gen has now, which the "online pass thing" has been ditched. More redundancy.

[ubernoob]

The Kinect always connected had nothing to do with the publishers.

However the DRM measures they are taking is definitely a result if being in bed with the big boys.

I think it's funny that every time MS says something about it (take steam like sales for instance) they say something like, "we had to implement this first before we could even think about sales like that. Maybe in the future.".

If you're planning on adding huge sales, say so. If not, say you aren't. Use concrete answers and quit the *****footing around.

And to the publishers that will never read this: Once you can show me undeniable, concrete proof that "piracy" and the used game sales hurt the business then you can start discussions about some type of DRM policies.

Spore tried this BS and reigned as champion of the most pirated games for a long time.

The most pirated games now? The CoD series. I'd like to hear more about how unprofitable those are. Tons of piracy comes from other counties. I'd be willing to bet that most people that pirate games wouldn't buy it anyways. I pirated Football Manager like 10 years ago (with no intention of buying it for that year, they didn't lose a sale.) It was excellent. Now? I preorder it every year and have even bought a copy for others here on OS that haven't been able to for whatever reasons.

I'm sick to death of publishers whining about the customers taking care of them and asking us to do the right thing when it's proven time and tone again the only thing they care about is their bottom line. Why should we take care of them when they would just as soon sell us down the river?

I understand it's a business. You don't alternate your customer base though. If you're making games to make money I don't want to play your game. If you're making games because you truly love gaming and want to make something special that you would love to play... Then you have my money. Look at path of exile. They poured every cent they had into that game. They made out free to play. They are active with their community and vocal about changes. They aren't about forcing their customers into a Hooke where they HAVE to pay out if they want to stay viable.

I hate the f2p model with a passion, but seeing how much the devs care about their baby AND treating their customers right? I've paid more for that game out of support for them on things I will never use just because they are doing their customers right.

/rant

[SinisterAlex]

Re: Xbox One

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

Yes the same policies as the PS3. Third party games up to the developers. The PS4 has no integrated DRM like the Xbox One has. Just the same as the PS3.


Nothing will change with the PS4.

[Ky3217]

Re: Xbox One

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

Sony is going with the same system the have now.
Microsoft is pushing for more.
Not even remotely the same

[aholbert32]

Re: Xbox One

Can we go ahead and scratch the DRM? Its already been stated that Sony will have the same policy when it comes to 3rd party games.

LOL. Stop spreading this lie. Seriously.

Sony will not have the same policy even with 3rd party games. Sony has gone on record that the only DRM allowed on PS4 games will be online passes.

[bigfnjoe96]

It does not have the same policy.

Microsoft is forcing it, Sony told publishers it was up to them.

MS isn't forcing anything. They have left DRM up to the publishers, while there is NO DRM on MS Published games...

Sound familiar?

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[Ky3217]

Re: Xbox One

And now Major Nelson is contributing to digging the Xbox One's grave.

http://gamingbolt.com/major-nelson-addresses-drm-concerns-silencing-don-mattrick-and-how-ps4-isnt-a-threat

Literally the only positive out of this article for Microsoft is that they're shutting up Mattrick.

If it's true anyway. It is from reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comme...lson_at_e3_and

MS isn't forcing anything. They have left DRM up to the publishers, while there is NO DRM on MS Published games...

Sound familiar?

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Microsoft has DRM built right into the console

[SinisterAlex]

Re: Xbox One

MS isn't forcing anything. They have left DRM up to the publishers, while there is NO DRM on MS Published games...

Sound familiar?

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True but MS has implemented DRM into their own console whereas Sony hasn't. Only way 3rd parties can put DRM on their games on the PS4 is through online passes or their own server authentication (EA's Origin for example), nothing can be done to the discs or from the console itself.

Xbox One is a different story. Whether dev's and publishers decide to use the technology that MS has given is a different story because apparently they weren't "aware" that MS had done this and that they, the developers and publishers, didn't ask for this.

[ubernoob]

MS isn't forcing anything. They have left DRM up to the publishers, while there is NO DRM on MS Published games...

Sound familiar?

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The 24 hour check IS DRM. I don't see where the disconnect is that you keep saying there is no DRM on MS published games.

[EnigmaNemesis]

The 24 hour check IS DRM. I don't see where the disconnect is that you keep saying there is no DRM on MS published games.

To add, controlling the resale is a form of DRM as well.