Xbox One

[ricky24]

Re: Xbox One

It is now...don't think that's how their vision started out though...

Just because they removed the kinect it doesn't mean the multi media functions are gone. It just takes a few more button clicks to seamlessly hop from gaming to other apps or tv. It's still pretty cool how you can watch tv and play. I use it daily.

[Swamp Swagger]

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It's amazing how many people out there today worry about a few pixels. The 1080 thing is out of control. I still play the crap out of my n64.

Same here. I love going to a game store and finding a old game I used to play growing up lol

[DanH35]

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If I were to ask you to produce a list of 7-10 reasons/game series why, for the same price, I should pick up an XBox One over a Playstation 4... would you be able to do it?

Your question goes both ways, I were to ask you to produce a list of games to buy a PS4 over Xbone, could you do it? It's all about preference, people like different things. Outside of The Show, I don't care much for the Sony exclusives. On the other hand, some of my favorite games are the Halo and Fable games.

[ricky24]

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Same here. I love going to a game store and finding a old game I used to play growing up lol

I have a problem when it comes to the virtual console on wii u. I buy so many games for 4.99 just because they are classics. Never have time to play most of them.

[Swamp Swagger]

Xbox One

Man I had some awesome clips I wanted to record on Titan Fall last night but the dang thing wouldn't hear me. It was pretty late and my kids and wife were sleeping so I couldn't yell it but I said it pretty loud and even put my face closer to it but it still didn't work.

Usually it works fine so I probably sounded like a idiot in the middle of the night talking to my Xbox lol

[Swamp Swagger]

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I have a problem when it comes to the virtual console on wii u. I buy so many games for 4.99 just because they are classics. Never have time to play most of them.

Again that's me. I usually buy them old games but hardly play them even though I want to.

Kinda strange

[ubernoob]

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Forza, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, Quantum Break, Halo, Gears of War, DLC on COD comes to XB1 first, you still get the snap function and TV features as well with or without the kinect. Improvements, updates and new features are rolling out monthly also.

The games are completely subjective obviously, If PS games interest you more than XB1 games then PS4 is the obvious choice for you. MS games interest me more and in the end that's what's most important and should be the deciding factor.

Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break aren't out yet. DLC on CoD may (depending on how much people read into "insider" rumors) easily change. Titanfall isn't an exclusive, as 360 and PC have it (and the PC version is the best version.) Just playing Devil's Advocate here for fun.

You mentioned it yourself. The games are the deciding factor. No matter how much extra a machine can (or cannot) do, the games are what truly matters - which makes all this uproar over the Kinect a bit funny to me, personally.

Here's where XBox (and it seems in the future this will hold true even more, if they stick to their word) loses a bit of it's shine. They want a lot of games to be console-exclusive. Not necessarily XBox One exclusive. See: Titanfall. Fable has hit PC (I believe 2 is the only one not out for PC.)

XBox exclusives decimate Sony exclusives when it comes to FPS gaming. That's not even a debatable fact. Sony's games aren't **** there, but they don't come close to touching Halo. Even Gears, for what it is, beats Sony's offerings. That's really it though.

At least for the later 360 generation (2010 on for sure) - most X360 exclusives (since we can't talk about XBOne/PS4 with any definitive statements this early in their life cycles) were crappy or gimmick-y at best Kinect games.

If you enjoy genres other than FPS games, it makes the most sense to get the other console. If FPS games consume most of a persons gaming, the MS ecosystem is far and away the way to go.

Of course, this is assuming everything is played in a vacuum which never is true. What friends get, if you enjoy PC gaming, etc always holds true.

Again that's me. I usually buy them old games but hardly play them even though I want to.

Kinda strange

PC Emulation saved me boatloads of cash for this stuff, no lie. Old games are my downfall - especially the NES-PS2 era of gaming.

[Swamp Swagger]

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Same here and same era as well

[Hooe]

Re: Xbox One

XBox exclusives decimate Sony exclusives when it comes to FPS gaming. That's not even a debatable fact. Sony's games aren't **** there, but they don't come close to touching Halo. Even Gears, for what it is, beats Sony's offerings. That's really it though.

I'll add that I think Forza is a superior game than Gran Turismo, but that's probably splitting hairs, they're the same sort of sim driving game and both of reasonable quality. Probably just a personal preference.

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I hate the idea of a Kinect-less XBOX One, and I hate this announcement. I was looking forward to the fact that, on account that every XBOX was equipped with it, that developers might take some risks with supplemental game mechanics via the Kinect sensor. For example, imagine if you could call an entire game in Madden via Kinect voice commands without ever seeing a play call interface, or if there was a first person survival horror game which could watch your reactions to the events on-screen and adjust the game play accordingly.

That's absolutely not going to happen now. With the Kinect now optional, it's going to be once again relegated to the land of niche peripherals, just like the previous generation's Kinect. It will only be taken advantage of by developers making niche games (dance and fitness titles), or for token supplemental commands (such as technical fouls in NBA 2K for cursing). Maybe a few indies here and there, if MS ever figures out how to deal with indies properly again.

I realize that my hopes were unlikely to manifest into something concrete anyway - AAA game publishers very rarely take creative risks anymore - but this announcement is the definitive dagger in that dream. I'm probably going to sell my XBOX One on this account, as there's no reason for me to own one over a PS4 or a gaming PC now.

Ultimately I think that MS would have been much better served to have drawn a line in the sand at E3 last year and to not backpedal on anything. They had a vision for their console, and they systematically have walked back everything interesting and unique about the XBOX One to the point where now it's basically a generic gaming box, like the PS4, only with TV pass-through and worse tech specs.

EDIT: non-sequitur, but I'm still waiting for some game studio not named EA Tiburon to do something interesting with SmartGlass, too. The XBOX One has potential to do so many interesting and new things which simply haven't been done in gaming before, and I'm very unhappy that it's unlikely that we'll ever see the system meet its full potential now.

[Cusefan]

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I still feel slighted when my Xbox One broke and I was treated horribly by Microsoft Customer Service. I bought a Xbox One solely because I liked the 360 so much, it's a Shame microsoft thinks so little of customers who supported them for the last decade.

I will buy a PS4 when I can get The Last of Us and probably buy most of my games for it.

[Boltman]

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I still feel slighted when my Xbox One broke and I was treated horribly by Microsoft Customer Service. I bought a Xbox One solely because I liked the 360 so much, it's a Shame microsoft thinks so little of customers who supported them for the last decade.

I will buy a PS4 when I can get The Last of Us and probably buy most of my games for it.

Then you can jump in on some BF4 with us.



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[Cusefan]

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Then you can jump in on some BF4 with us.



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That's the plan! And when I'm not playing very good I can say that the ps4 controller is throwing me off, win-win.

[Boltman]

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That's the plan! And when I'm not playing very good I can say that the ps4 controller is throwing me off, win-win.

Lol good stuff!

We'll be here whenever you come on board, all are welcome and the more the merrier.



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[studbucket]

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I still feel slighted when my Xbox One broke and I was treated horribly by Microsoft Customer Service. I bought a Xbox One solely because I liked the 360 so much, it's a Shame microsoft thinks so little of customers who supported them for the last decade.

I will buy a PS4 when I can get The Last of Us and probably buy most of my games for it.

Customer service varies greatly based on who answers your call, and I'm sorry you had a bad experience. After launch I spent 3 days at one of our call centers, and some of the folks will run through walls to help you, while others don't understand or care.

It's like any other job, unfortunately there are people who just don't give a crap. If you have a name or information on the bad agent or the experience, I can forward it to the right people.

I do my best to help provide some customer support on the official forums and here on OS.

[ubernoob]

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I'll add that I think Forza is a superior game than Gran Turismo, but that's probably splitting hairs, they're the same sort of sim driving game and both of reasonable quality. Probably just a personal preference.

True. They're relatively equal, though the newer Forzas have been better than the newer GTs in my eyes.

I hate the idea of a Kinect-less XBOX One, and I hate this announcement. I was looking forward to the fact that, on account that every XBOX was equipped with it, that developers might take some risks with supplemental game mechanics via the Kinect sensor. For example, imagine if you could call an entire game in Madden via Kinect voice commands without ever seeing a play call interface, or if there was a first person survival horror game which could watch your reactions to the events on-screen and adjust the game play accordingly.

That's absolutely not going to happen now. With the Kinect now optional, it's going to be once again relegated to the land of niche peripherals, just like the previous generation's Kinect. It will only be taken advantage of by developers making niche games (dance and fitness titles), or for token supplemental commands (such as technical fouls in NBA 2K for cursing). Maybe a few indies here and there, if MS ever figures out how to deal with indies properly again.

I realize that my hopes were unlikely to manifest into something concrete anyway - AAA game publishers very rarely take creative risks anymore - but this announcement is the definitive dagger in that dream. I'm probably going to sell my XBOX One on this account, as there's no reason for me to own one over a PS4 or a gaming PC now.

Ultimately I think that MS would have been much better served to have drawn a line in the sand at E3 last year and to not backpedal on anything. They had a vision for their console, and they systematically have walked back everything interesting and unique about the XBOX One to the point where now it's basically a generic gaming box, like the PS4, only with TV pass-through and worse tech specs.

EDIT: non-sequitur, but I'm still waiting for some game studio not named EA Tiburon to do something interesting with SmartGlass, too. The XBOX One has potential to do so many interesting and new things which simply haven't been done in gaming before, and I'm very unhappy that it's unlikely that we'll ever see the system meet its full potential now.

All of what you said is literally summed up by a few words. "Developer cop-out."

I've been in the camp that motion controls (Kinect, Wii, WiiU, PSMove or whatever the **** they call theirs) are nothing - and will never amount to anything more than - a gimmick. It will never catch on, even if you had the AAA devs throwing every ounce of creativity and money they had at it. It's just not what people want when they play games. When I say people, I mean the majority of people. Of course someone somewhere wants it.

For what it's worth, Oculus Rift, the Sony "VR" **** and all the other companies throwing their hats in the ring fall into this same camp. Kinect (and Kinect 2.0 or whatever it's called), Oculus Rift. All great, great technology that should be developed further. All are in the wrong sectors. They have no future in gaming other than "SUPER niche."

If developers had all these great ideas for Kinect games, they'd make them. If the games were all they were cracked up to be, people would play them. They know that's not where the majority of people seem to want their gaming to go, for many reasons.

As of last year, there were 24 million Kinects (for the 360) sold. That is 5 times the install base these newer consoles have. Let's not act like Kinects are an endangered species where it's rare to see one in the wild. The install base was there.

It's been almost 4 years since the Kinect 1.0 has come out. Plenty have been sold. Plenty more will be sold. If there was a "motion control" worth it's weight in salt that wasn't a gimmicky add-on, we would have seen it by now. There has been plenty of time. I haven't seen a justifiable use for one yet (in gaming.)

While you say the Madden without seeing a playcall screen, that's nothing more than a novel idea to most. You think users call the same plays now? Wait until they have to memorize plays. Ain't gonna happen. They'll know 3-4 pass plays, and 3-4 runs. They'll also get angry when it's not the play they called. A horror game that reacts to you? Most people hate jump scares, since that's all that would rely on.

Imagine if the XBox One or PS4 came out 4 years ago. Imagine they each sold 24 million units (plus, as that number is over a year old.)

Now imagine if every game we got for it was either absolute ****, or the same thing over and over. We wouldn't be saying "If only these were in more homes! WE'D GET SO MUCH BETTER STUFF FROM THEM!"

We'd be bashing the developers, which should be happening here if Kinect gaming is something one really feels the need to get behind. Money talks. This is just more proof.